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I cringe whenever I hear the way Brits say: ‘the company ‘are’ or ‘the school board ‘are’ voted in by the parents. What is really frightening to me is that Americans are starting to use the same construction. My research tells me that Brits treat collective nouns as plural, while in the USA we consider them singular. ‘School Board’ is singular. ‘School Boards’ is plural.
Is anyone annoyed by “double words,” such as: Were you happy happy? Was it fixed fixed? Do you know how to type type? Now, here’s a doozy: “He’s in his office office.” What in the heck does that mean? I’d appreciate your feedback.
Just how screwed has our language become?
Why do we hear phrases like:
“If he gets in contact with you”
when there are simpler and more meaningful phrases like:
“If he gets in touch with you”
or
“If he contacts you”.
Why do people have this predilection with “get” or “got”?
Not content with using “roading” as a noun meaning “the provision and building of roads” the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) has now introduced another example of why suits should not be allowed to write signs.
A stretch of motorway on the north side of Auckland is being widened and there is a forest of signs proclaiming “3 laning project in progress”!
GRRRR GNASH GNASH!! :)
I came upon this on their website: “The Senior Management Team at Fettes College have day to day responsibilities for the running of The College. They meet regularly throughout the year and feedback to staff and Governors as appropriate.”
Leaving aside the rather Germanic employment of capital letters on some, but strangely then not all, of the nouns in this statement, and the wholly gratuitous ‘as appropriate’ tacked on to fill up some space, I find most irksome the use here of ‘feedback’ as a verb. I would use two words: ‘feed back’ (a compound verb), or I would insert a verb and say ‘provide feedback’ (noun + verb). In fact I would much prefer to avoid this ugly expression altogether and use a term such as ‘report back to’ or ‘report to’. Am I alone in finding this whole thing rather disappointing for a major British school?
It’s like the sign at Gatwick airport which directs passengers to do something along the lines of ‘check-in here’ where what is meant is ‘check in here’ because ‘check in’, being what you do, is a compound verb, and ‘check-in’, being the name of the place where you do it, is a noun.
It is very elementary grammar, as taught to me at about the age of eight, noun! verb! and I find it almost incredible that a renowned Scottish public school can be so sloppy, and that a major airport in England, an English-speaking country, does not proof-read what is to be painted in huge letters on its walls.
On the other hand, one’s reaction to seeing in Phnom Penh, in Cambodia, the “PRINCESSS HOTEL” in huge pink neon lights ranged in a column above the door, has to be mirth, and wondering what the extra S cost the management. It is not as though they could not afford an apostrophe, as in the foyer are life-size photographs of a number of these estimable ladies, so the ‘princesss’ are plural. So it was an ‘e’ which proved beyond budget, then, or a proof-reader. But that of course is forgivable, as it is not in an anglophone country.
I’m not usually a peever, but I do make an exception for business buzzwords. A recent survey in Britain found that many office workers felt ‘management-speak’ to be ‘a pointless irritation’. Up to now my least favourite has been ‘going forward’, an expression Lucy Kellaway at the Financial Times campaigned against when it first appeared, but to no avail: everyone uses it now, from Obama to Beckham. But the one that I’m increasingly noticing is ‘reach out’.
Apart from its physical meanings, my dictionary gives this meaning for ‘reach out’:
reach out to somebody - to show somebody that you are interested in them and/or want to help them - “The church needs to find new ways of reaching out to young people.”
Which is fine. But increasingly it seems to be being used simply to mean ‘contact’, especially on tech sites, for no good reason that I can see other than trendiness. Some examples:
‘If you would like any other suggestions or need help with transitioning your current Google Reader RSS feeds, please reach out to a Library’
‘Wired has also reached out to Google for additional comment.’
‘If you want to follow up, feel free to reach out to me by phone.’
I know I’m just an old fuddy-duddy, and these expressions are harmless, but they do niggle a bit. Any comments? Or anyone for Buzzword Bingo?
It’s one I had not encountered before moving to NZ. Now I hear it and read it almost daily. Yet a Google seach shows 843,000 hits for NZ out of a total of 267,000,000 so it is obviously not restricted to the antipodes.
My beef is with titled vs entitled. It seems that it is now acceptable to use entitled in the place of titled. For example: Jane won the contest so she was entitled to the winnings. This is correct. Jane wrote a book and it was entitled ‘How to win at the lottery’ In my opinion, the book was not entitled to anything. The misuse of the word is very widespread and supposedly the meaning has now been officially changed.
Biggest pet peeve: anything that “changed history.” You cannot change what has already happened. It is over and done with. Even if you go back in time and make changes, you have not changed history, because now it never happened the original way. The original events never happened, became “the past,” and were therefore never history! The only history at that point is the one that did take place as a result of changes being made. There is only one history, regardless of sci-fi movies’ time travel themes, etc., and that is why every form of the phrase “to change history” drives me crazy!
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The company 'are'
- keithsalinas
- July 26, 2024, 12:17pm
It's true that British and American English handle collective nouns differently. In British English, collective nouns (like "company" or "school board") are often treated as plural when the group is seen as individuals acting separately. For example, "The company are launching new products." In American English, collective nouns are usually treated as singular, emphasizing the group as a single entity: "The company is launching new products." This difference reflects the broader approach each variant of English takes towards collective entities.
Your observation highlights a key distinction in grammar preferences across these two versions of English, and it's interesting to see how language evolves and influences usage on both sides of the Atlantic. For more in-depth writing and grammar tips, you might find https://essayltd.com/presentation-speech-writing-service/ service helpful.
Can a singular noun represent a plural non-collective noun?
- keithsalinas
- July 26, 2024, 12:16pm
Yes, a singular noun can represent a plural concept in certain contexts, especially in older or literary English. This usage often emphasizes the essence or archetype of the noun rather than the specific number. In phrases like “I saw signs of elephant in the forest” or “I saw fairy dancing in the woods,” the singular noun is used to evoke the general idea of elephants or fairies. This stylistic choice leverages the reader’s imagination to understand the plural meaning. .
Treatment of abbreviations and superscript items in full capital case
- countingtools
- July 20, 2024, 8:28pm
Treatment of abbreviations and superscript items in full capital case
- countingtools
- July 20, 2024, 8:27pm
Hi Susan,
Thank you so much for reaching out with your question! Your documentary project sounds fascinating, and it's great to see such attention to detail in your text presentation.
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- July 12, 2024, 11:34am
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Initialisms and Quotation Marks
The correct format would be:
CAYA stands for “come as you are.”
Here's why:
Initialism: CAYA is the initialism and does not need quotation marks.
Quotation Marks for Explanation: The phrase "come as you are" is in quotation marks to denote that it is the expanded form of the initialism.
Capitalization: The phrase "come as you are" is not a proper noun, so it does not need to be capitalized unless it is a title or part of a title.
So, "CAYA stands for “come as you are.”" is the most appropriate way to present it. For more tips on writing and grammar, consider visiting https://essaywritercheap.org/research-paper-writing-service/ for professional assistance.