Over exaggeration

porsche, in inebriation is to simply "make drunk", then could you not inebriate someone so that the consequences are so great they are fatal? Why not? why would can you add over- to exaggerate but not inebriate?

Um, Doc, it was a joke. You're taking it too literally.

Hahahahaha, jae's comment is hella funny.

so can you underexaggerate?

of course you can underexaggerate--I imagine it happening the morning after a less-then-enthralling sexual experience while a young lady is regaling her best friend with the tale of her unimpressive companion! ;->

Agreed. If this apple can be big, it can also be really big. Furthermore, it can be really really really big. Therefore, if I can exaggerate, I can also overexaggerate. I can also supercrazyridiculousoverexaggerate.

Proof by Contradiction:

"You can make the jump, it's only five feet."

"I think you're under-exaggerating. It's more like 30 feet"

It remains to be proven that it is necessary to specify under or over.

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"Sir, the report has just come in. Top commando Boolean just phoned General Foo and told him the enemies could be counted in the hundreds. Foo states that the account is an exaggeration."

"An exaggeration? So there are less than a hundred or is the number actually in the thousands?

- Ambiguity must be resolved in this specific instance. Because there exists at least one scenario in which clarification is needed, the prefix over and under are deemed correct by appealing to proof by contradiction []

I agree that overexaggerate may be used when referring to physical motions, like in the example slemmet cited. As far as exaggerating in a story, I don't think it's acceptable. Lets say a person longjumps 9 feet, but when telling the story they say "Yeah I jumped 10 feet yesterday." Thats an exaggeration. If that same person said "I jumped 15 feet", thats not overexaggerating, thats just lying. So the prefix "over" in that context doesn't really apply.

Excluding physical gestures, an exaggeration is a stretch of the truth for the purpose of coloring a story, an "overexaggeration" is just a blatent lie.

"Bill always says his 'big catch' was 5 feet long when it was really only three, but 10 feet for a striped bass? Now THAT's overexagerating!"

(as already stated above, from the dictionary definition: "...to go beyond anticipated exaggeration")

And Brandon, if you want to get technical, ALL exaggeration is lying.

PS, forgive the misspelling above, that's two g's in "overexaggerating" (I know how picky some are around here).

i think that everyone here is way to technical and that i agree with anonymous every exaggeration is lying but i have my own view on over-exaggeration when people over-exaggerate they just take it way to far and like brandon said its just blatent lying so thats my view on this subject

exaggeration is just a lie.

God! All you people are over-exagerating, you yanks just dont get English lol. Always hacking our language and claiming it for yourself. We stole our words from the rest of the world, and most English is a variant of French, since that literacy, at least anglo came about when the English reading, writing, and speech became common. And not just for the rich. exagerate as is to over-ephasise. lol and over-e xagerate as is to exagerate over emphasis.

For example, when exageration occurs in any context, then it is blowing the ephasis out of proportion, ie, im so hungry, i could eat a horse.

For example, when over-exageraton occurs the point has been lost and the subject has been blown out of proportion. ie, im so hungry, i could eat a horse, then a whale!

Exagerate does have boundaries. you can only exagerate so far, as to blow the whole thing out of proportion and then go on a tangent.

When you exagerate you are twisting the truth. you are hungry but could not possibly eat a horse. Therefore exagerated how hungry you are. any further from the point, is off the point, and the point has been lost, a boast becomes a lie. many people over-exagerate to tell a better story, such as the media, or chinese whispers.

To under=exagerate is to stay to the point, but make it seem further away, instead of distancing. ie, she has taken what I have said out of context and out of proportion, no i didnt, i was merely stating a fact.

Well im ten stone, no you are not you are fifteen, no you are not you are five!

In general conversation I have had sex with over fifty women, dont lie its no more than 25, well actually it was ten.

As men always over-exagerate, and women always under-exagerate how many people they have slept with.

Underexageration: I'm so hungry I could eat a pony!

Porsche...look up pony in cockney rhyming slang and I think you are actually over exaggerating, as you could not possibly be hungry enough to eat one of those ;)

I just chanced on this thread, and I think "overmisconstrued" is an excellent word, or in terms of Pony.. an excrement word.

Rickie Vallance's posting is so trustworthy he can't even spell exaggerate, so how can you take his answer as having any value.

When people say something is 'over exaggerated' they mean it's a hyperbole, and that it is obvious that someone stretched the truth.(At least that is what I think...)

AO,
If there are apples, big apples, really big apples, and really really big apples, wouldn't the scale change, whereas apples would become known as small apples, big apples would become known as normal apples, really big apples would become known as big apples, and really really big apples would be an exaggeration? lol

I agree with you that "hyperbole" is better than "over-exaggeration," (which, as many pointed out, seems redundant and in bad taste). Also, to me as to you, "hyperbole" implies (since it is seen as a figure of speech) to be an honest exaggeration--no one is fooled by a statement so extreme as to be impossible.

There does, however, seem to be room for "over-exaggeration" as a way to describe an expression that is dishonest--seriously dishonest. The linguistic culture has invented the expression, and it rarely does so if there is no need. I think, though, than in that situation I would prefer "grossly exaggerated."

Adam, if you were referring to me, I don't know how you concluded that I got my definnition from The Urban Dictionary. It's been a few years, but I think I got it word for word (note the quotation marks) from Webster's, not sure what edition. It certainly wasn't from The Urban Dictionary. Oh, and to Ty Guy, et al., I don't think understate is a good substitute for underexaggereate. I would think that underexaggeration would be exaggeration that was less than the expected amount, but still exaggeration, not understatement at all. Say, someone says, "I caught a fish that was THIS big", holding his hands fourteen or fifteen inches apart when the actual fish was only twelve inches long. That would be underexaggeration. Holding his hands three feet apart would be the expected exaggeration, and just called exaggeration. Getting a friend to stand on the other side of the room to hold out one hand while he places the other hand twenty feet away to indicate the fishes length would be overexaggeration.

forgive the few typos above

I'd say underexaggeration was something along the lines of:
"His girlfriend looks about twelve!" when she looks more like eighteen, or:
"That painting isn't worth anything" when you could sell it for a few dollars.

For a political party to exaggerate the benefits of their policies would be normal. But if they exaggerated said benefits beyond what even the most gullible of the populace on the loose could take seriously, that would be an over-exaggeration.

So there you are:

An exaggeration is a lie; but an over-exaggeration is an implausible lie.

Plausible?

PS if we can talk of a big exaggeration as opposed to a small exaggeration why can't we qualify the word in other ways?

The use of "fags" (don't be facetious--of course he means homosexuals--in fact he means effeminate homosexuals) and similar labels to describe smart people is a defense mechanism used by dumb male adolescents to maintain their self-esteem in the face of not having any notion of what is going on in class. I think this is okay. At least it is better than their dropping out so that there is no one to baby-sit them

Hey, Frank!
How are you today?
That was a very clever post.
You have now saved Blackvaginafinda the job of responding to my post.
He (or she) doesn't need to think about dropping out of class, if he/she is in one - you just baby sat them through the matter!
Well done!
Think about it!

Over exaggerating and Under exaggerating, they dont exist, its all still exaggerating. the over and under are simply just exaggerated terms of the word exaggerate.
its like saying infinity plus 1. infinity does NOT have a limit, when you add the 1, you just added a limit to it. but it doesnt work like that, thats why it doesnt make sense.

Thanks for the praise: if one is going to insult (my intention), I think it can be more effective to try to be clever than to just call someone names.

I don't think he would have responded to either of us. My reaction is that he was bewildered and felt a need to react, but didn't know how. That of course is just a guess--I wouldn't want to even try to understand such a person.

Jjaay--I don't see where exaggeration is analogous to infinity. Exaggerations are all over the field, from slight (the fish was ten cm.) to huge (the fish was a whale). Although there is a branch of mathematics that deals with "sizes" if infinity (aleph numbers), it is true that infinity is not comparable with any finite number.

I think that phrases like "over-exaggerate" seem redundant and make for poor writing style, but they are in the common speech, to me a good clue that they serve a purpose.

I believe that the term exaggeration is mostly used in the sense that whatever the topic is, is being blown out of proportion unnecessary, and the usage of over- is typically to describe something as being more than necessary, therefore I believe that if exaggeration is more than required, how can you get more than that? I don't think exaggeration is a set value, for example, if "I jumped 1 meter." Was the truth, I think that anything more than one meter is an exaggeration, that doesn't mean that "I jumped 4902368 meters." Would be an overexaggeration, it would still be only an exaggeration.

im pretty sure that everyone has used slang at some point in time. it might bother you the way someone says something like "overexaggerate" but you can clearly understand that they are trying to say that someone has exaggerated more than they think is necessary. the same goes for underexaggerate

You can overexaggerate, underexaggerate, overegg, underegg, underdog, overdog, in my books. They ALL give off good enough meaning to most folk.

ex. BLAH BLAH BLAH

over-
prefix
Definition of OVER-
1: so as to exceed or surpass
2: excessive
3: to an excessive degree

...

# over·ex·ag·ger·ate
# over·ex·ag·ger·a·tion

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/over-

A lot of drivel being spouted here.
Despite what Merriam-Webster or any other North American dictionary may say, there are of course no degrees of exaggeration just as there are no degrees of uniqueness, and indeed no degrees of pregnancy.

@Jesse the blob of Bromine

Irregardless to the fact, you are overexaggerating!

(tee hee!!)

I think "over exagerate" is an exageration in itself.

PerfectPedant: Pedantic and offensive, a wonderful combination. I am not American, but that reference to "North American" dictionaries is spectacularly condescending. And in response to other posters, the fact that many often use "overexaggerate" when they simply mean "exaggerate" is irrelevant. Of course there are degrees of exaggeration. In situations where a degree of exaggeration is intended or desirable, then it stands to reason that to go further would be to "overexaggerate". Pregancy or uniqueness are false analogies used to artificially bolster the argument.

@JohnnyM
Pedantic: yes, condescending: perhaps, offensive: no.
I have not, as you have done, targeted a particular poster, because that would perhaps be offensive.
False analogies or not, the facts remain.

Yes, the facts remain that there are degrees of exaggeration whether you like them or not.

(OED) Prefix over- 1 excessively; to an unwanted degree

Are you saying that it is not possible to exaggerate excessively?

If it is possible to exaggerate excessively, then one can overexaggerate.

One can be friendly and one can be over-friendly.
One can magnify and one can over-magnifiy.
One can exaggerate and one can over-exaggerate.

@Hairy Scot ... Can you "slightly" exaggerate? Can you "greatly" exaggerate? If you can "greatly" exaggerate, then you can "excessively" exaggerate. If you can "excessively" exaggerate, then you have met the definition of "overexaggerate" (or, if you like it better, over-exaggerate". There are degrees of exaggeration ... indeed, there always has been.

From the OED: The word originally meant ‘pile up, accumulate,’ later ‘intensify praise or blame,’‘dwell on a virtue or fault,’ giving rise to current senses.

There is not and never has been only one degree of exaggeration. That's only a myth in the shut-off minds of pendants. For the rest of us in the real world, there are degrees of exaggeration which means that one can eathly overexaggerate.

@Anwulf
The words in the post are not mine, I was merely providing an excerpt from the entry at http://www.grammarist.com/usage/overexaggerate
However I do agree with what that excerpt states.
There is nothing mythical about it.
As to shut-off minds: take a look in the mirror.

Quoting poor logic does not help your case. Neither of you have answered the simple question: Are there degrees of exaggeration? If the answer is yes, then one can overexaggerate. It is as simple as that.

Here is a quote from a writ discussing Shakespeare that I just read a while ago: ... is just a more exaggerated version of the same idea ...

Now, I ask you ... could not "more exaggerated" also be written as "overexaggerated"? Would they not convey the same meaning? Or do you believe that "more exaggerated" is also wrong? You can't have it both ways, they're either both right or they're both wrong.

So ... I have shown you that historically, there has never ... NEVER ... been just one degree of exaggeration. That is what your whole premise relies on ... that there are not degrees of exaggeration. That notion flies in the face of reality and history.

The supposed redundancy is only in your mind because of the above false notion that there are not degrees of exaggeration. This belongs in the same dustbin with other false pedantic notions like you can't split the infinitive or end a sentence with a preposition. The word exists, it is often used, and it is clearly understood ... And it isn't going away. Nor should it.

BTW ... Apparently some folks do "advance forward" LOL ... http://www.ics.edu.hk/index.php/giving-to-ics/advance-forward and http://www.advanceforward.co.uk/ .

So one can then underexaggerate?

I've never used it but it seems so:

1983, International Symposium on Theory and Practice in Transport:
Academics tend to be very sceptical of oil forecasts made by the major oil companies as they underexaggerate the probable amounts of oil in the world.

2003, Gregory D Lee, Global Drug Enforcement:
Without the services of a qualified polygrapher, the defendant will almost always underexaggerate or lie about his or others' involvement in the conspiracy.

OMG!

We are doomed!

@R Smith ... Then all the uses below are wrong? According to you, one cannot exaggerate too much since there are no degrees of exaggeration.

The Three Mile Island "disaster", for example, was a much-exaggerated description of a serious accident. — "Future Studies in the Academy", Academic Questions, Winter, 1995, Vol 9, Issue 1, p12

Researchers had long known that rat pups that don't receive as much licking and grooming-perhaps a rat mother's brand of affection-grow up to have more-exaggerated stress behavior than better-cared-for pups do. — "Nuture Takes the Spotlight", Science News, Jun, 2006, Vol. 169, Issue 25.

Let the bike come up further and further-exaggerate the motions of soaking up a bump. — "Skills: How to Catch Air", Nov, 2001, Vol 42, Issue 11, p22

For the perfect berry pout and not-tooexaggerated brow, … — "The New Easy Beauty", Oct, 1998, Vol. 191, Issue 6, p162

As our dinners settled comfortably, tales of dressing experiences were exchanged, each couple good-naturedly attempting to out-exaggerate the others. — "Splendors of the Orient-Express", USA Today Magazine, Jul, 1993, Vol 122, p 35.

Ron says his problem with Obama is the integrity thing. "He exaggerates too much," Ron says. "He's not honest." — "Full Metal McCain", Rolling Stone, Jun 26, 2008, p43

@Anwulf
I agree that the examples you quote are valid and I certainly would have no problem using "much", "more", or "not too" with exaggerated, but I would still draw the line at using either over or under as a prefix for exaggerate.
Of course the fact that I am a pedantic old fart makes it easy for me to eschew the use of such prefices.

I think everyone is overexaggerating..

I'm wondering when exaggerating is ever 'appropriate.' If anyone can think of a situation when it is, then using the phrase "over exaggerating" shouldn't be a problem.

@Flory ... By that inwit, the word exaggerate shouldn't exist at all! So let's ban the word "exaggerate" ... after all, if isn't ever "appropriate" to exaggerate, then one shouldn't need the word. But whether is it is "appropriate" or not not, folks do exaggerate and their exaggerations can be small or big

It seems to me that those opposed to over-exaggeration are all commiting the same logical fallacy. While not always stated exactly this way, I suspect all the arguments against are various versions of this: "There are no degrees of exaggeration. Either you are exaggerating or you are not". Such a statement is merely an assertion without any justification.

Let's break this down:

A = "There are no degrees of exaggeration"
B = "Either you are exaggerating or you are not"

I believe the underlying reasoning goes something like this:

A is true. The reason A is true is because, clearly, B is true. Or, to put another way, B implies A.

Here's the problem with this reasoning. B doesn't imply A. The following statement is just as valid:

"There are many degrees of exaggeration. Either you are exaggerating or you are not"

The statement "Either you are exaggerating or you are not" is obviously true; In fact, it is a tautology. As such, it proves nothing about whether exaggeration exists in degrees or only in superlative absolutes.

As an example, let's take being tall. Some people are taller than others. Some are very tall. Some are a little taller than average. There are infinite gradations of tallness. What if I said "there's no such thing as being very tall. Either you are tall or you are not"? Clearly that would be a foolish assertion. I could be very tall, a little tall, too tall. I could be overly tall. I could be, er, under-tall (say, 6 foot 2, but still not tall enough for the NBA), etc. That being said, the statement "EIther you are tall or you are not" is completely correct. It just happens to have no relevance.

Let's take another example: "You can't be a little pregnant. Either you are pregnant or you're not." For the sake of argument, let's say that both statements are correct and that there are no degrees of pregnancy. The truth is that the second statement, "either you are pregnant or you're not" is still irrelevant and has absolutely nothing to do with whether there are degrees of pregnancy. If it were possible to be "a little pregnant", then being a little pregnant would still be being pregnant, and the second statement would still be true.

I can be a little tired, a little hungry, a little late, and yes, that means I'd be tired, hungry and/or late.

I can exaggerate a little, a lot, too much, or not enough. Those that disagree are certainly free to do so, but simply stating it doesn't make it so. Nor does stating it more emphatically. It's just begging the question.

Also, comparing exaggeration to other words whose nature is superlative proves nothing. Clearly such words exist. Listing them doesn't prove or disprove anything.

Those who have mentioned under exaggerating should know that the antonym for exaggeration is to minimize. I corrected my roommate on his over exaggeration use tonight and as we argue I like to have sources to back up my argument. Speaking to all of the quotes above, many of them seem to have to do not with the degree of exaggeration, but the use in terms of quantity... I.e Obama doesn't over exaggerate one thing or another, but uses exaggeration frequently to make poor people his puppets. However the quote dealing with body movements especially makes me think that if there is no word tha means completely over-doing something versus mildly over-doing it, then websters should go to work.

Those who have mentioned under exaggerating should know that the antonym for exaggeration is to minimize. I corrected my roommate on his over exaggeration use tonight and as we argue I like to have sources to back up my argument. Speaking to all of the quotes above, many of them seem to have to do not with the degree of exaggeration, but the use in terms of quantity... I.e Obama doesn't over exaggerate one thing or another, but uses exaggeration frequently to make poor people his puppets. However the quote dealing with body movements especially makes me think that if there is no word tha means completely over-doing something versus mildly over-doing it, then websters should go to work.

I don't know why some people get so up about this! As far as I am concerned, if people use it, then it's a word, and everyone, surely, knows what is meant. If it just means exaggerate, So What? Let people talk how they like. In everyday colloquial speech, it doesn't matter does it? Maybe teachers should make sure pupils don't put it in Standard English writing, but if it's in the dictionary...

Who says language has to be mathematical and logical anyway?

And, wow, these comments have been going on for 6 years??!

Many of you are saying that "over" adds "degree" to exaggerate. But to exaggerate means to over do something. So over exaggerate would mean "over-over do". Exaggerate doesn't require degree. Metaphor: you have a cup of water. You can describe the amount by saying it is barely full, kinda full, halfway full etc. But once it overflowed (equal to exaggerate) it's useless to elaborate. It didn't matter if it was a little too much or way too much it still spilled out of the cup. Over exaggerate implies that there is an acceptable amount of exaggeration which defeats the purpose of the word. ALSO under exaggerate makes no sense. How can you not over do something enough. Logically, doing too much is never good. If it was good or necessary you did ENOUGH therefore not exaggerating

Revision to what i said above: exaggerate a little or much exaggerate make sense as degrees, but over still does not. Again in allusion to the cup of water, something could have spilled over a little or alot but it couldn't "over-overflow".

So your driven mad by the use of "over exaggerate" yet have no problem asking if it is "over emphasizing"! Surely you either emphasize or you don't!

This is as egregious as "exactly right." It's either right or wrong with no gray area.

Over-exaggeration sounds like taking a sweet cute dump in the deep end of the pool or something. Seems to much like not manning up to your sins or errors.

It makes me even more angry that "irregardless" is in the dictionary now, and "generally considered as the incorrect form of regardless."

Also, I have to state that the horrendous amount of incorrect grammar and spelling in response to this topic makes me over-cringe...

sawd

I personally feel that the term is a redundancy. While I can concede that some may see value in distinguishing higher degrees of exaggeration, the problem is that everyone I hear use the term "over-exaggerate" simply use it in place of "exaggerate" for every instance. It's the same problem that everyone has with "could care less" and "irregardless," or the rampant use of the term "literally." This is what upsets me about the word. There is no thought placed in its usage. It has simply become the new default, at least from my experience.

If my friend caught a fish weighing 1Kg and I went around telling others that it weighed 2Kg, I'd be exaggerating; if, however, I said that it was 500Kg, that would be a gross exaggeration. It wouldn't be overexaggeration, as there isn't a predetermined threshold to exceed. Stating anything more than 1Kg is an untruth.