Pain in the English
Pain in the English

Unpacking English, Bit by Bit

A community for questioning, nitpicking, and debating the quirks and rules of the English language.

Pain in the English
Pain in the English

Unpacking English, Bit by Bit

A community for questioning, nitpicking, and debating the quirks and rules of the English language.

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patty-c

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July 2, 2011

Total number of comments

10

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and so...

  • September 27, 2019, 3:36am

Lol wish I could delete my posts. My self-contradictory and now incorrect post. Also my repetitive post. Oh well! So it goes!

and so...

  • September 27, 2019, 3:29am

@Warsaw Will ... Just came across your article! Nice! Thank you

and so...

  • September 27, 2019, 3:28am

@Of_Course
I don't think it's a conjuction at all !
"And so" has the conjunction "and" and then I would call "so" an adverb, it's like "therefore"
(in "I didn't like it, and so I left")
And so I don't even think it breaks the rules of grammar, not at all. (Though I just did; but I can tell the difference)
In your special case "and so it goes", that's a slightly different meaning but "so" is definitely an adverb there - it means "that way", or something close to "thus". In your "and so it goes", "and" isn't even connected to "so". So it goes. They changed my schedule again, and so it goes. I hate my new schedule, but so it goes. "And so it goes" can't possibly have anything wrong with it! (Sez I)

and so...

  • March 10, 2014, 2:40pm

Yes @ lucy lenn. Perhaps when you were a little girl someone you loved used to tell you this story:
We were all sitting around the campfire, and the Captain said to me, "Antonio, tell us a story!" And so I began ...
We were all sitting around the campfire, and the Captain said to me, "Antonio, tell us a story!" And so I began ...
We were all sitting around the campfire.....

and so...

  • March 8, 2014, 12:01pm

Nice work, Warsaw Will!

gifting vs. giving a gift

  • July 2, 2011, 10:52pm

re: its
three, still counting

gifting vs. giving a gift

  • July 2, 2011, 10:49pm

Doesn't anybody teach the rules for spelling its and it's any more? This thread has at least two misspelled itses. What's up with that? It's a pretty simple rule.

gifting vs. giving a gift

  • July 2, 2011, 10:44pm

"Gift" as a verb - so ugly !

and so...

  • July 2, 2011, 10:43pm

Olen, you made that rule up out of thin air. Also, your "therefore" needs to be preceded by a semicolon, for "therefore" is not a coordinating conjunction; rather, it's a type of adverb.

But we shouldn't use "and so." Just use "so" alone; it's a coordinating conjunction. A comma precedes it, but none follows it - just like other coordinating conjunctions - and it's one of the c.c.'s that can begin a sentence, though many teachers think it can't.

It's also quite a good word, don't you think?

Using "therefore" and "thus" repetitively is more clunky and in my opinion a greater sin than using "so" repetitively.

"Tic" not "tick." Agreed.

The opposite of “awaken”?

  • July 2, 2011, 10:24pm

the antonym of transitive awaken is put to sleep. the antonym of intransitive awaken is fall asleep. that's all there is; but I love some of the made-up words in these comments, my favorite is sleepen. very creative! g2g now, it's time to sleepen my little ones.