Pain in the English
Pain in the English

Unpacking English, Bit by Bit

A community for questioning, nitpicking, and debating the quirks and rules of the English language.

Pain in the English
Pain in the English

Unpacking English, Bit by Bit

A community for questioning, nitpicking, and debating the quirks and rules of the English language.

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Member Since

August 24, 2003

Total number of comments

2

Total number of votes received

4

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Latest Comments

In and of itself

  • August 24, 2003, 5:00am

The phrase "in and of itself" has become so cliched, I think it should be avoided. To me, "in itself" sounds much better.

Email

  • August 24, 2003, 4:47am

It's easier to make an end-run around this troublesome usage by using the term "message."