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grammerhack

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@Warsaw Will, you continue to cite examples of where people exercise their mediocrity in using improper grammar. You explain that you encourage your students to embrace informality (speaking incorrectly) to 'fit in?' I believe that teaching an 'English as a second language student' to speak incorrectly only allows/encourages elitists to become prejudice against said student.. When a culture accepts mediocrity as a norm, Empires are lost.
You further say, . . .wait a minute. . . .. London, Yorkshire, British youth culture?? You are British? Oh, my apologies; I understand now. Please, carry on.

grammerhack September 18, 2013, 1:03pm

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@Warsaw Will, you continue to cite examples of where people exercise their mediocrity in using improper grammar. You explain that you encourage your students to embrace informality (speaking incorrectly) to 'fit in?' I believe that teaching an 'English as a second language student' to speak incorrectly only allows/encourages elitists to become prejudice against said student.. When a culture accepts mediocrity as a norm, Empires are lost.
You further say, . . .wait a minute. . . .. London, Yorkshire, British youth culture?? You are British? Oh, my apologies; I understand now. Please, carry on.

grammerhack September 18, 2013, 1:03pm

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@Warsaw Will, Now you are calling me a racist?! My new informal writing is that of the hip-hop culture and not that of the African American. And hip-hop is inclusive of all races. So you think I crossed a line from informal to using a dialect? But to become a dialect doesn't the language need to be used by many many people. And by your definition, doesn't the amount of people that use words in a certain way make it 'modern' and 'informal' and acceptable? You confuse me. You never seem to answer my questions directly. For example you never told me what I should do when I need to use 'may' and 'can' specifically. As you have made them acceptable to be used as synonyms, how can I expect anyone to understand me when I use 'may' specifically to ask permission. Or, how do I know if someone will understand me when I use 'can' in reference to one's ability? I just don't get it. You seem to think it is acceptable to 'dumb down' the world.. . as long as it is popular. God help us all if you are actually teaching the youth of today! One last thing to clarify my original point. 2 +2 =4 but informally 2 + 2 =22. If one accepts your 'informal' method as being acceptable, it becomes very very very very very difficult to communicate. If you are teaching kids, I now assert that you are teaching them to be lazy inarticulate jackasses.

grammerhack September 18, 2013, 5:29am

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@Warsaw Will - All I can say is "WOW!!!" So a parent uses 'can' incorrectly so it is acceptable for the child to do so as well? How liberating! So, yo yo yo dude! I no longer will ax you a question. But instead I be writing informally as it be more friendly. Me and yo now sees eye to eyes. You be right my man. Me likes writing dis way. Me and yous knows better than everybody else. This is liberating; like running through a meadow naked! Thanks you for showing me that there light!

(My final question. . .is writing informally (when one is educated) being 'hip' and 'modern' or just being a lazy-ass?)

grammerhack September 17, 2013, 10:01pm

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@Warsaw Will You wrote, "Ah! The language rules are like maths rules fallacy." First, I must assume you are being informal when writing 'maths rules' rather than 'math rules?' And are you citing your own blog post as a reference to the truth or just and expansion of your argument?

After reading your post, correct me if I am wrong, but it appears that you see the language as 'informal,' 'neutral,' or 'formal.' I was taught that my use of grammar was either 'correct' or 'incorrect.'

So, be assured that when you decide to speak 'informally,' I will probably be hearing you speak 'incorrectly.' Of course it is your choice on how you want to speak. But it seems you should take responsibility for your informality being perceived as you not actually knowing how to speak 'correctly.'

BTW (informal abbreviation of 'by the way') your post claims that 'may' and 'can' are now synonyms?! I was taught that 'may' asked for permission and 'can' referred to one's ability. Now that you say it is ok to use them interchangeably, what do I do when I need to be specific and perfectly clear? Maybe it is good that 2+2=4; maybe there should be absolutes in grammar/language as well?

grammerhack September 17, 2013, 12:25am

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Hey Warsaw Will, "informally," did you know that 2+2=5?

grammerhack September 16, 2013, 1:41pm

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