Warsaw Will

Joined: December 3, 2010

Number of comments posted: 1353

Number of votes received: 749

I'm a TEFL teacher working in Poland. I have a blog - Random Idea English - where I do some grammar stuff for advanced students and have the occasional rant against pedantry.

Questions Submitted

fewer / less

Natural as an adverb

tonne vs ton

Tell About

“reach out”

Recent Comments

Re: Selfie  •  December 12, 2013, 6:59am  •  0 vote

"Selfies of 2013 – the best, worst and most revealing" - The Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/11/selfies-2013-the-best-worst-most-revealing

Re: Selfie  •  December 12, 2013, 6:53am  •  0 vote

"David Cameron and Danish PM brush off criticism of Mandela memorial selfie" - The Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/11/david-cameron-danish-pm-mandela-memorial-selfie

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 12, 2013, 4:42am  •  0 vote

@Buzzbuzz10 - well that second part rules me well out, by a few decades even. Perhaps I should also confess that I never use FB and don't currently live in the UK, so I'm not the best person to ask ab

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 11, 2013, 3:44pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - OTT is pretty old hat now, I think, although I hadn't realised it had originally been stronger in the States. About the same vintage as "moreish" (BrE), I would imagine. http://books.goog

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 11, 2013, 3:37pm  •  0 vote

@Buzzbuzz10 - I'm not really aware of these new meanings of sick. This could be geographical (I'm British), but probably more likely to do with age. Every generation of young people invent their o

Re: “as long as” vs. “so long as”  •  December 11, 2013, 6:55am  •  0 vote

@Tanvir - I'm not with you, could you give us an example?

Re: “my” vs. “mine” in multiple owner possessive  •  December 11, 2013, 6:52am  •  0 vote

@jayles - I do agree with you about keeping terminology to a minimum in lessons, and I grant you that students are much likely to know what adjectives are than determiners. And to use your analogy, we

Re: “You have two choices”  •  December 10, 2013, 4:04pm  •  0 vote

Hi HS, I presume you are simply expressing a dislike of the use of the word "choices" to mean "options" or "alternatives". But this surely quite standard, as in the expression "multiple-choice questio

Re: pre-order  •  December 10, 2013, 2:59pm  •  1 vote

I don't know about pre-book, although It seems to simply mean book in advance (i.e. before you usually would or is necessary). Pre-order is easy enough - it means to order something before it becomes

Re: “my” vs. “mine” in multiple owner possessive  •  December 10, 2013, 2:30pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I agree with you about terminology when teaching foreign learners, but this is a language forum, where we should be able to discuss these things. And then you yourself use a piece of termino

Re: “my” vs. “mine” in multiple owner possessive  •  December 9, 2013, 2:50pm  •  0 vote

@Syed Usman - " 'My' is not a possessive pronoun, 'My' is a determiner and 'Mine' is a possessive pronoun." Were it only so easy! In EFL, we certainly refer to "my" etc as determiners and "mine" a

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 9, 2013, 1:48pm  •  2 votes

@jayles - by colonial, I assume you mean American. Its current use may have started in America, but it's certainly not an American word, at least not on its original meaning of inspiring awe (1590s).

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 8, 2013, 5:51am  •  2 votes

Hi Jim, I confess to the last one occasionally, but this may be more of a British thing - this is from Practical English Usage by Michael Swan, a bible for EFL teachers: "Object forms are sometimes

Re: “It is I” vs. “It is me”  •  December 8, 2013, 4:57am  •  0 vote

@jayles - Neither. I think you're trying to force an answer where one isn't necessary, as we are unlikely to use either: "I think I know who stole the petty cash; it was Janice!" "Really? Which

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 6, 2013, 3:03pm  •  2 votes

Hi Jim. Try Googling it the other way round, i.e. for "pre-plan".Go to page 2 (past all the definitions) and it's nearly all for funeral services. As for dictionaries, being a teacher, I nearly alw

Re: Modal Remoteness & Tense  •  December 6, 2013, 2:19pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - I wouldn't think so much about which goes with which tense; it's the meaning that is important. Second and third conditionals are both about hypothetical or unreal conditions: Second is a

Re: Modal Remoteness & Tense  •  December 4, 2013, 3:57pm  •  1 vote

@Jasper (1) "If it were ever mentioned, which happened very little, Fei Forest would sometimes be referred to as the Crescent Forest because of how it curves around Braunvour Gulf." OK, this fall

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 4, 2013, 2:58pm  •  2 votes

@providencejim - I think you're right about ''based out of' not being used in the UK; at last I haven't heard it, although I'm now living outwith the UK anyway. I wouldn't use it myself, but it doesn'

Re: Selfie  •  December 3, 2013, 5:25pm  •  1 vote

Come on. Up to speed, you two; selfie is so last month. This month's word is shelfie. http://www.macmillandictionary.com/open-dictionary/entries/shelfie.htm And there are more meanings at the Ur

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 3, 2013, 5:17pm  •  3 votes

I'd suggest that there is a slight difference: "You are going to be based in the NY office" = you will spend most of your time working in the NY office. "You are going to be based out of the NY of

Re: “a letter that had requested” vs. “a letter that requested”  •  December 3, 2013, 4:24pm  •  0 vote

I think this is a bit similar to a question jayles put a few weeks ago about time clauses. For me, A1 doesn't work. I'm not sure if I can explain why, but let's have a go anyway. Here's a stripped dow

Re: Correspondence  •  December 3, 2013, 2:58pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I stand corrected. The Channel 5 one is disappointing, admittedly, but look carefully at your second example - It really means "the five things about Linux you aren't allowed to discuss", h

Re: Modal Remoteness & Tense  •  December 3, 2013, 2:19pm  •  1 vote

Could you perhaps give examples of what you mean by modality and modal remoteness? As far as conditionals go, I think there are several ways to talk about the past. Probably the most common is Third c

Re: Correspondence  •  December 1, 2013, 4:01am  •  0 vote

@Skeeter Lewis - but I'm in total agreement with you that the language people use is endlessly fascinating: that's why I contribute to this blog. But I prefer to treat it as an observer rather than as

Re: Correspondence  •  November 30, 2013, 1:34pm  •  0 vote

@Skeeter - let's get things in perspective. I teach foreigners English, so obviously their language is important to me. My children's language would be important to me. But how somebody else talks isn

Re: Correspondence  •  November 30, 2013, 9:06am  •  0 vote

@Skeeter - 'does it really matter?' - the quote I followed that with should have put that in context. Yes it matters to me what language I use, but compared to what else is happening in the world, the

Re: Correspondence  •  November 29, 2013, 5:35pm  •  0 vote

@Skeeter - there are quite a few words out there I don't like and simply don't use. For example, I personally desperately try and avoid things like 'whom' and the impersonal pronoun 'one' - which just

Re: Correspondence  •  November 29, 2013, 1:32pm  •  0 vote

Whoops - A book by Cornelius Walker, republished in 2003.

Re: Correspondence  •  November 29, 2013, 1:29pm  •  0 vote

@Skeeter - as a teacher I've learnt that 'never' is a dangerous word, and the same goes for 'does not exist'. See xavier_onassis's comment and jayles's reference (it's quite often used in astrology,

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 26, 2013, 2:07pm  •  0 vote

@AnWulf - you seem to have stumbled across something interesting with that book you linked to: there are indeed quite a lot of references to psychoanalysis trainings and psychoanalytic trainings in Br

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 26, 2013, 1:35pm  •  0 vote

@Chris B - Quite agree with you about touch base etc, in fact I did a post on my blog warning learners about these expressions a couple of years ago - the title being "Loop back to me and we'll touch

Re: Tell About  •  November 24, 2013, 9:15am  •  0 vote

@providencejim - I've been doing a bit of digging, and there's quite a bit in Faulkner, so I've added a section on him to my post, with some details and links. So thanks for the tip. Incidentally, whi

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 24, 2013, 9:11am  •  0 vote

@jayles - interesting about 'trainings'. As to the people who need to use English at work, to repeat, a foreign language (or two or three) is seen as a normal part of a person's education here, as

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 23, 2013, 6:59am  •  0 vote

Back on topic - vattafairefoote made a very good point right at the beginning of this discussion, which I think porsche rather unreasonably dismissed - the comparison with British "orientate". "con

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 23, 2013, 5:30am  •  0 vote

@jayles (2) - sorry, I misunderstood your earlier comment about Standard English. I thought you were complaining about it coming under pressure, whereas you were simply stating a fact. Your point abou

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 23, 2013, 4:43am  •  0 vote

@jayles (1) - the truth is that either multinationals 'sweep' in or you have unemployment. Poland is the only country in Europe to have seen continuous growth for the last ten years, so I don't think

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 22, 2013, 7:01am  •  1 vote

@HS - 'If you are happy with rubbish like "conversate", "would of". "hone in on", etc creeping into the language then so be it.' - Sorry HS, but I expect better of you than this sort of condescending

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 22, 2013, 5:55am  •  0 vote

@jayles (2) - Are you writing for the Daily Mail now? This is just scaremongering, on a topic you've hinted at before. The number of Chinese by ethnicity in Glasgow is about 5,000 (less than one pe

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 22, 2013, 5:14am  •  0 vote

@jayles (1) - "How would you feel if you had English forced on you if you were Polish or Gujarati?" - I don't quite see what bearing this has with anything I said, but here goes. The only language

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 22, 2013, 12:25am  •  0 vote

I meant enriched, of course, not enrichened. What an abomination!

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 21, 2013, 4:42pm  •  3 votes

@HS - for at least five hundred years some people have been complaining that English is going to the dogs, and surprise, surprise, it has simply gone from strength to strength. Where you see "chaos

Re: Tell About  •  November 21, 2013, 3:55pm  •  0 vote

@providencejim - Ah! The vagaries of Google Books. I've just had a quick check through the links I gave, and I they are all verifiable (showing the actual examples) except for A Giant's Strength. I th

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 20, 2013, 5:18pm  •  2 votes

@HS - and thank God we don't have such an equivalent, and that every time the idea has been suggested, from John Dryden onwards, wiser heads have prevailed. Language is an organic beast, not somet

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  November 20, 2013, 5:01pm  •  0 vote

@alexandre - I think we all knew that 'if I were you' was an incomplete sentence, hence the three ellipsis dots in the original question. And as for your second point, the one you want us to THINK

Re: Tell About  •  November 20, 2013, 4:45pm  •  0 vote

Hi providencejim - in the post on my blog (link above) I list the instances of tell about in Sinclair's books, but I'll put them here as well - 68 in all. On my blog there are links to the examples in

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 19, 2013, 8:20am  •  0 vote

@jayles -Yup. First class this morning was 7.00, so the alarm went at 5.30 (other days are all 7.30 starts). The snow hasn't arrived yet, but it can't be long now. Amongst other places, I teach in one

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 18, 2013, 1:43pm  •  1 vote

@jayles and HS - the noun in its figurative sense goes back to 1858 (Online Etymology), and is not, as far as I know an Americanism. As a verb, I repeat, it has two meanings, both of which I agree hav

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 17, 2013, 5:42am  •  0 vote

@Brus - we may have a somewhat arbitrary spelling system, but at least we largely agree how to spell each individual word. That wasn't the case in the past. Virtually all dictionaries are descripti

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 16, 2013, 3:16am  •  0 vote

At the cutting edge of spelling - that's a new one on me. Before Johnson, everybody did as Brus suggests, and we had spelling chaos. Dictionaries are surely there to be used. I've better things to do

Re: Plural last name ending in “z”  •  November 15, 2013, 4:47pm  •  0 vote

@Larkin - I second Hairy Scot - I don't see any reason why surnames should be any different from other nouns - brooch / brooches, church / churches, Goodrich / Goodriches - as in this book - The Goodr

Re: “I’ve got” vs. “I have”  •  November 15, 2013, 3:15pm  •  0 vote

@WW - dour is also known in England, but usually pronounced differently; wee is no doubt pretty universal. It seems the latest Scottish word to catch on in England is 'minging', (red-lined) which in S

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 15, 2013, 2:46pm  •  0 vote

AnWulf - I grant you that most British dictionaries list it as babysit, but Collins lists it as baby-sit, and American Heritage, Random House and Etymology Online list it with both spellings. I admitt

Re: Plural s-ending Possessives  •  November 12, 2013, 4:51pm  •  0 vote

For a simple plural, definitely no apostrophe; I would go for the Hesses, as in grass / grasses, 'es' being the regular plural after a double s. Then if you wanted to talk about something the family o

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 10, 2013, 6:32am  •  0 vote

re: feedback as a noun. I've just noted that Michael Quinion, respected etymologist and contributor to the OED, and author of the excellent website World Wide Words, is quite happy to head the first s

Re: Tell About  •  November 10, 2013, 5:28am  •  0 vote

Going by Ngram, it certainly seems to occur more in American writing than in British writing, but there's a huge spike in the forties. Considering its use seems to be so marginal, I'm wondering if thi

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 9, 2013, 7:24am  •  0 vote

@Brus - I agree with you about the hyphenated phrasal verbs, but I would certainly hyphenate 're-enter' due to (!!!) the double 'e', as indeed does my dictionary. aerothermal - interestingly, OneLo

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 9, 2013, 6:08am  •  0 vote

A few (rather long) thoughts about business jargon, business buzzwords and management speak. All areas of life employ jargon to a certain extent: we might talk of *posting* comments to this *forum*, f

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 6, 2013, 4:39pm  •  0 vote

@Brus - The problem with commissioning purposes - ‘it lacks the word which says what the commissioning is of’ - I think that what is being commissioned is pretty obvious to anyone who has followed dev

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 6, 2013, 3:13pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - a few typos in the last paragraph: 'Google it' But Etymology Online lists it as being ... I just can't resist ...

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 6, 2013, 3:10pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - in terms of common usage, linguists would normally base it on corpora, where books would only appear once. There are certainly a few books in the British National Corpus, but I think they on

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 6, 2013, 2:31pm  •  0 vote

@Brus - re: assertionism - sorry, that's a neologism, possibly coined by the blogger Eugene Volokh, and 'bandied about' somewhat on linquistics forums. I'd forgotten it wasn't common currency. St

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 4, 2013, 4:34pm  •  1 vote

@Brus - The BBC commissions programmes from independent producers. It presumably has processes for doing this. What on earth is wrong with calling them commissioning processes?

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 4, 2013, 1:59pm  •  1 vote

@Brus - I concede your first point - actually I had already conceded it at the end of my last post; I accept that it was a bad comparison to make between a compound verb and a phrasal verb. All I was

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 3, 2013, 2:39pm  •  1 vote

@Brus 1) horrible is totally subjective, and has nothing to do with whether something is correct or not. I hear 'feedback' nearly every day in business contexts and it doesn't bother me in the sli

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 3, 2013, 6:42am  •  1 vote

1. Capitals - I think this is OK as the whole page takes its title from and is about a named unit - the Senior Management Team - at a named institution - Fettes College. These and only these nouns a

Re: Plural form of anonymous  •  November 2, 2013, 2:16pm  •  1 vote

I pefer, you pefer, he pefers

Re: Plural form of anonymous  •  November 2, 2013, 2:16pm  •  1 vote

I pefer the slightly different - "Thus, the heroes of today are no longer living individuals but the anonymous dead."

Re: Do’s and Don’t's  •  November 2, 2013, 6:50am  •  0 vote

@Darren Lee - on second thoughts, perhaps not so whacky, as the two probably are usually the same (but I've never heard any rule about this), but it doesn't work when it comes to do and have: we talk

Re: Plural of name ending in Y  •  November 2, 2013, 6:33am  •  0 vote

@Hekter Hairfoot McGlammery - I don't doubt you, but I thought we were more interested in spelling here than in genealogy. Incidentally, you got your James numbers reversed.

Re: Pronunciation: aunt  •  November 1, 2013, 9:28pm  •  0 vote

@WordMasterRick - Merriam-Webster gives both pronunciations of (n)either for American English \ˈnē-thər also ˈnī-\ - In British English we have a choice and I'm pretty sure I say \'naɪðə(r)\ ("I") o

Re: Do’s and Don’t's  •  November 1, 2013, 9:12pm  •  0 vote

@Darren Lee - I use an apostrophe in do's myself, but that's a pretty whacky piece of deduction of yours. In all the stuff I've read about do's and don'ts, I wonder why nobody has come up with that on

Re: Plural of name ending in Y  •  November 1, 2013, 8:20pm  •  0 vote

@Hekter Hairfoot McGlammery - the Seton bit may be true, but you have to go way back to the sixth earl (1588–1661) to find the Seton who changed his name to Montgomerie, part of the conditions of the

Re: Motives vs. Motivation  •  October 31, 2013, 3:39pm  •  1 vote

Fair enough, mate. (Actually, I never say mate; it's not in my ideolect, as the linguists would say), but quite a few of my colleagues do.

Re: Plural form of anonymous  •  October 30, 2013, 2:51pm  •  0 vote

In 'Alcoholics Anonymous' it's still an adjective - meaning 'Anonymous alcoholics' - so that's a bit of a red herring. But I have to wonder when you would ever need a plural and if you did it would be

Re: Motives vs. Motivation  •  October 30, 2013, 2:16pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - there's no reason why different word classes can't affect (or have an effect on) each other, just think how 'prioritise' has replaced 'give priority to', and 'incentivise' is replacing 'giv

Re: Motives vs. Motivation  •  October 29, 2013, 3:52pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - another way is to google, for example "words ending ment". The first entry will probably be MoreWords, which gives words for Scrabble etc. It will give you a list of the most common, with th

Re: Motives vs. Motivation  •  October 29, 2013, 3:37pm  •  0 vote

To return to topic, my motivation behind that rather long comment is a general interest in English and in looking things up; my motive was to try and answer jayles's question.

Re: Motives vs. Motivation  •  October 29, 2013, 3:29pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I'm still not sure whether you're talking with your teacher's hat on, or talking about English in general. If we're talking in general, I'm all for hearing more dialect and other Englishes i

Re: Motives vs. Motivation  •  October 28, 2013, 1:51pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I'm a little confused. Who relies on what handful of Brits? I think we should be told! And what is this "proper" grammar and pronunciation you seem to despise?

Re: Motives vs. Motivation  •  October 27, 2013, 3:40pm  •  0 vote

@Rahul kumar Gupta - Hi. I have a question, and this is purely an observation. In British and American English, we don't usually use 'according to' in the first person, only in third person. But as we

Re: According to ME, you, him....  •  October 27, 2013, 3:24pm  •  1 vote

I've just discovered that "according to me" seems pretty well standard in Indian English, as a site search of Indian newspapers shows. Here are some examples: "According to me, badminton is the No.

Re: silent autumn  •  October 27, 2013, 1:53pm  •  0 vote

@Virginia - I don't know about passive-aggressive, but I was certainly intending to be mildly ironic. I wouldn't have mentioned it all had I not found your own Monty Python quip somewhat 'dismissive'

Re: silent autumn  •  October 27, 2013, 7:23am  •  0 vote

Ignoring Virginia's witty, perceptive and constructive contribution, it's obviously concerned with ease of pronunciation, as others have said. In Latin it was autumnus, which is easy to pronounce b

Re: According to ME, you, him....  •  October 27, 2013, 6:26am  •  1 vote

As Speedwell2 rightly puts it, "according to" is usually used to introduce the opinion of a third person, and as others have said, possibly to add authority (or perhaps distance) to a statement, so is

Re: O’clock  •  October 27, 2013, 5:50am  •  0 vote

@Chris B - interesting. New Zealand seems to have quite a few little idiosyncrasies, some of which Hairy Scot has pointed out. Radio announcers also have their language, things like 'on the hour' , 't

Re: Tell About  •  October 26, 2013, 8:25am  •  0 vote

I've done a little research and posted it on my blog: http://random-idea-english.blogspot.com/2013/10/some-random-thoughts-on-tell-about.html

Re: “I’ve got” vs. “I have”  •  October 26, 2013, 4:32am  •  0 vote

And there is also Standard Scottish English (SSE), a variant of Standard British English, which is to say "the characteristic speech of the professional class [in Scotland] and the accepted norm in sc

Re: Pled versus pleaded  •  October 26, 2013, 3:22am  •  1 vote

@Poppa Bear - OK, if you try with "bail was enlarged" you get slightly more (and more modern) results - 27. Eleven of these are from Australia and New Zealand, where the term seems seems rather more c

Re: Pled versus pleaded  •  October 25, 2013, 3:00pm  •  1 vote

I can't count - eight hits

Re: Pled versus pleaded  •  October 25, 2013, 3:00pm  •  1 vote

@Poppa Bear - "the bail was enlarged" gets precisely seven hits on Google. Six are from Australia and New Zealand, all of which are from the nineteenth century, one is from The Court Gazette, London o

Re: “I’ve got” vs. “I have”  •  October 25, 2013, 2:44pm  •  0 vote

@Fitty Stim - sorry, but Standard English is an absolutely basic concept in linguistics. It's the language that's used in education, the media and publishing, and in my field, language teaching. Much

Re: Misuse of “lay”  •  October 25, 2013, 1:55pm  •  0 vote

@Riley Cox - I presume you are talking about grammatical objects, not objects as things, as you can lay a person down as well: When I lay me down to sleep - Joseph Addison, The Spectator 1711 Now

Re: Shall have done?  •  October 24, 2013, 3:47pm  •  0 vote

The original questioner's assumption is correct: in normal conversation 'shall' is only used in First person singular and plural, mainly in offers and suggestions and their related question tags - 'I'

Re: “enamored with” and “enamored by”  •  October 24, 2013, 3:02pm  •  0 vote

I think we need auto-linking for https addresses!

Re: “enamored with” and “enamored by”  •  October 24, 2013, 3:01pm  •  1 vote

At the British National Corpus: enamoured of 50 enamoured with 10 enamoured by 4 http://www.natcorp.ox.ac.uk/ At Netspeak (web based - so international) enamoured of 61% enamoured with 22

Re: Shall have done?  •  October 24, 2013, 2:43pm  •  0 vote

@Teacher Habib - In Third person singular, 'has' is used when the verb 'have' is the main verb - 'He has a large house', or is the auxiliary in Present perfect - 'He has already spoken to the boss' o

Re: Plural forms of words borrowed from Latin  •  October 23, 2013, 4:32am  •  0 vote

@jayles - re your third paragraph - absolutely. The first thing I found here was that it wasn't the long words (i..e Latinates) they found difficult, but the short ones, and especially phrasal verbs.

Re: LEGOs — Is the Plural form of LEGO incorrect?  •  October 22, 2013, 1:55pm  •  0 vote

@T_reason - if there was (were for subjunctive freaks) no such word as legos, this discussion wouldn't be taking place. The fact that a lot of people use it, including people like the LA Times and NPR

Re: Plural forms of words borrowed from Latin  •  October 22, 2013, 1:45pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I think you're making false comparisons. Obviously people who learn Latin and Greek aren't studying it as a means of social communication; they have other reasons for doing so. Nobody that I

Re: Plural forms of words borrowed from Latin  •  October 20, 2013, 8:40am  •  0 vote

@jayles - for someone who thinks learning Latin and Greek is a waste of time, you seem to know an awful lot about them (and be rather interested in them). Are they, then, also a waste of your time?

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