Warsaw Will

Joined: December 3, 2010

Number of comments posted: 1202

Number of votes received: 415

I'm a TEFL teacher working in Poland. I have a blog - Random Idea English - where I do some grammar stuff for advanced students and have the occasional rant against pedantry.

Questions Submitted

fewer / less

Natural as an adverb

tonne vs ton

Tell About

“reach out”

Recent Comments

Re: “The plants were withered” Adjective or passive?  •  February 6, 2014, 2:10pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - it happens to us all from time to time.

Re: “I’m just saying”  •  February 5, 2014, 3:01pm  •  0 vote

@Pee Wee - well you obviously despise me then, as I used it yesterday, but not to absolve myself of guilt, rather to soften a criticism of something the person I was writing to had said. As for think

Re: “The plants were withered” Adjective or passive?  •  February 5, 2014, 2:52pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - of course bored is normally an adjective, but it could also be the passive of bore - but I think you're missing the point of David L's joke - that you use a drill to bore a hole. He's playin

Re: Pronunciation of “often”  •  February 1, 2014, 4:49pm  •  0 vote

Of course RP has always been a minority dialect, but to see RP pronunciation as being inferior to other forms is no better than an RP speaker thinking their pronunciation is superior. RP only real

Re: Pronunciation of “often”  •  January 31, 2014, 7:27pm  •  0 vote

@John Gibson - one or two, just like most other consonants often, soften hasten, moisten glisten, listen castle, hustle, bustle, apostle, jostle nestle, wrestle, trestle thistle, whistle, g

Re: Might could  •  January 30, 2014, 2:50pm  •  0 vote

@Meade - to be pedantic - Scottish-Irish please. We Scots are very pernickety on this one - Scotch is only for products or things, some would say only three things - Scotch Whisky, Scotch broth and Sc

Re: tonne vs ton  •  January 30, 2014, 2:40pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - hoist with my own petard, you mean. Of course I agree about natural change, but my first reaction was that someone at the BBC was foisting it on us; it looks a bit 'clever' to me. But a chec

Re: Pronunciation of “gill”  •  January 28, 2014, 2:03pm  •  0 vote

@Hairy Scot - is there perhaps a word missing after 'erstwhile', or do you know something that we don't know? Anyhoo, the learned Mr Fry is obviously wrong on this one (the humble Wikipedia could have

Re: “The plants were withered” Adjective or passive?  •  January 28, 2014, 1:42pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - in jayles's example maybe, but not in David L's. The important word here is 'happen'. The question wasn't 'How did you feel when you were drilling?', but 'What happened when you dropped the

Re: Pronunciation of “often”  •  January 28, 2014, 1:29pm  •  0 vote

@AnWulf - I think many people say it both ways without realising. As for our idiosyncratic spelling, at least it gives us gems like these three poems, the first one quite well-known to EFL teachers an

Re: Pronunciation of “often”  •  January 25, 2014, 7:28pm  •  0 vote

Hi Skeeter - one reason I'm not so sure about the spelling angle is the rise in the pronunciation of aitch with a preceding H. I'm pretty sure this used to be limited to Cockney and possibly a few oth

Re: Charade you are!!  •  January 25, 2014, 7:40am  •  0 vote

As for the meaning, it's pretty obvious, as porsche and others have said - You are a charade - a fake, a phoney etc, and there's really no need to look for any obscure meaning, especially given the co

Re: Pronunciation of “often”  •  January 25, 2014, 7:18am  •  0 vote

@Skeeter Lewis - Fowler disliked a lot of things which are now common, and liked a lot of things which have fallen by the wayside. He's a very strange mixture of prescriptivist and anti-pedant, seemin

Re: Plural of name ending in Y  •  January 24, 2014, 2:47am  •  0 vote

@Therese - for example?

Re: Proper use of st, nd, rd, and th — ordinal indicators  •  January 23, 2014, 5:10pm  •  0 vote

@judith and Brittany - The current Sundance Film Festival in Utah advertises itself as running Jan 16-26 2014

Re: Correct preposition following different? Redux  •  January 23, 2014, 6:53am  •  0 vote

I've now put together a post with examples of 'different to' from the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, with links to Google Books. And also some early comments on its use: http://random-idea-english.

Re: “hone in” vs. “home in”  •  January 23, 2014, 4:37am  •  0 vote

@Jasper - He says - 'This is because “first” is one of the relatively few adjectives which do not change their form when they become adverbs, unlike "second" and "third". The first bit is OK: "first"

Re: “hone in” vs. “home in”  •  January 22, 2014, 1:05pm  •  0 vote

@HS - I realise that, and was trying to be a bit tongue in cheek, even provocative in return. Sorry if you took offence, but if you will make rude remarks (however tongue in cheek) about my favourite

Re: “hone in” vs. “home in”  •  January 21, 2014, 4:02pm  •  0 vote

Three and a bit years too late, but I've just noticed this from HS - "In common with the majority of the English speaking world I do not consider Merriam-Webster a definitive, nor even proper, source

Re: Pronunciation of “often”  •  January 21, 2014, 2:58pm  •  1 vote

In the US, both Merriam-Webster and American Heritage dictionaries accept both pronunciations, as do both Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries in the UK (but not Macmillans), although not everybody accep

Re: Correct preposition following different? Redux  •  January 19, 2014, 5:08pm  •  0 vote

@HS - this might interest you, from the Oxford Dictionaries blog - although I don't quite understand their figures. It looks as though it's currently stronger than I thought. http://blog.oxforddict

Re: Correct preposition following different? Redux  •  January 19, 2014, 4:21pm  •  0 vote

No, Google doesn't have the originals; they are all in university libraries where they are photographed and digitised by Google from the originals. There are actually two versions at Google Books, th

Re: Correct preposition following different? Redux  •  January 19, 2014, 12:05pm  •  0 vote

Yes, at least they come from contemporary documents; everything is checkable at Google Books. Earliest I've found is from 1603, by Robert Parsons, a fellow and tutor at Balliol, Oxford (bio at Wikiped

Re: On Tomorrow  •  January 19, 2014, 8:33am  •  0 vote

http://random-idea-english.blogspot.com/2014/01/random-thoughts-about-on-tomorrow.html

Re: Correct preposition following different? Redux  •  January 19, 2014, 6:18am  •  0 vote

"Numerous commentators have condemned different than in spite of its use since the 17th century by many of the best-known names in English literature. It is nevertheless standard and is even recommend

Re: Modal Remoteness & Tense  •  January 17, 2014, 6:36am  •  0 vote

OK, the conditional's probably OK as it refers to a possible future event, but I still think you have a problem with 'although' and 'but' in the same clause. Trivial little cultural language differ

Re: On Tomorrow  •  January 16, 2014, 4:35pm  •  0 vote

I was a bit sceptical about jayles Ngram idea, after all there are perfectly standard incidences of 'on tomorrow', eg: 'it depends on tomorrow', 'reckoning on tomorrow', for example, and I assumed all

Re: Fora vs Forums  •  January 15, 2014, 3:47pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - Of course we do, but we don't make a rule of it. And there are good reasons for both your examples - 'al fresco' is an expression, not a word, and 'literati' is virtually only ever used in

Re: Fora vs Forums  •  January 14, 2014, 1:11pm  •  0 vote

Damn! Sonate.

Re: Fora vs Forums  •  January 14, 2014, 12:18pm  •  1 vote

@My Two Cents - so presumably: Beethoven wrote five piano concerti and several piano sonati The BBC has two symphony orchestre The TV show should have been called 'The Soprani' Shall I order two

Re: “Bring” vs. “Take” differences in UK and American English  •  January 12, 2014, 5:18am  •  0 vote

OK, so here's my take on it (for learners) http://random-idea-english.blogspot.com/2012/01/confusing-verbs-come-go-bring-and-take.html

Re: You’ve got another think/thing coming  •  January 9, 2014, 4:17pm  •  0 vote

I just love this one, where think is absolutely crucial: "Skidmore Tyres had another think coming when the brakeman signalled him to back-tip. but he didn't wait for it: that think that wasn't thou

Re: cannot vs. can not  •  January 8, 2014, 4:12pm  •  0 vote

Well nigh impossible, but not completely: "Can't it wait until tomorrow?" Jake yawned "You can not go if you don't want to." Finn shrugged and left the house From a piece of fan fiction (with s

Re: cannot vs. can not  •  January 8, 2014, 3:40pm  •  0 vote

@Thredder -There is a theoretically possible difference yes, as in 'I can not go, you know. I don't have to.' But trying to find examples in real life is nigh on impossible. The vast majority of tim

Re: You’ve got another think/thing coming  •  January 8, 2014, 3:24pm  •  0 vote

@Traduttore - Sure, leave out all the spaces, plus signs etc. Look forward to hearing from you: will + dot + randomidea + at sign + gmail + dot + com

Re: Pled versus pleaded  •  January 7, 2014, 1:05pm  •  0 vote

@Jeff J - "In short, here in the UK the past tense of plead is always written/spoken as pleaded." - Scotland is, at least for the moment, still part of the UK, and as has already been mentioned, 'pled

Re: You’ve got another think/thing coming  •  January 6, 2014, 3:29pm  •  0 vote

@Traduttore - Yes please, go on, I'm collecting them.

Re: You’ve got another think/thing coming  •  January 6, 2014, 3:28pm  •  0 vote

It was certainly playing in New York in February 1909, but unfortunately I can find no texts. He seems to have had a pretty long career, this Arthur Lewis Tubbs; it's strange there's no Wikipedia arti

Re: You’ve got another think/thing coming  •  January 6, 2014, 2:29pm  •  0 vote

@Traduttore - OK, I've found this from A Deal In Ducks by Guy L Clements from 1921. That still beats the OED. 'Jackson thinks he has me in a pinch and that I will have to sell. Well he has another

Re: You’ve got another think/thing coming  •  January 6, 2014, 2:18pm  •  0 vote

@Traduttore - a lawn with no flowers would probably just be called a lawn, maybe a garden, but definitely not a yard. Some time ago I was trying to find a picture of a backyard (our version) and got r

Re: You’ve got another think/thing coming  •  January 6, 2014, 1:53pm  •  0 vote

@Traduttore - thanks for the 'guess' thing; I've updated my blog post (link above), which includes Ngram graphs and lots of links to Google Books, as well as a hat-tip to yourself - at the moment, wit

Re: You’ve got another think/thing coming  •  January 6, 2014, 12:40pm  •  0 vote

@Traduttore - that's a lot to take in quickly, so I'll have a read of it at my leisure, but your thinking seems fairly akin to mine. That was a good idea to use a wildcard, I hadn't thought of that. I

Re: You’ve got another think/thing coming  •  January 6, 2014, 8:15am  •  0 vote

@_Shorty - As it was me who originally put the question, I think the 'setup of the sentence' is vital, and the first part absolutely has bearing on the whole thing. I suggest you reread my original qu

Re: You’ve got another think/thing coming  •  January 5, 2014, 6:53am  •  0 vote

@_Shorty - Can you be more specific; the only hit I can find from 1800-1826 is this: "I own, indeed, that in God's covenant of promise there is a connexion and order established, for conferring of

Re: You’ve got another think/thing coming  •  January 5, 2014, 4:58am  •  0 vote

@_Shorty - that looks convincing at first, but the devil is in the detail. Everyone's pretty well agreed that the expression we're talking about (following "If you think ...") only arose around the tu

Re: Assist in or assist with  •  January 4, 2014, 8:38pm  •  0 vote

@Elena Dolnova - the grammatical functions are different: Assists with ... is a verb and needs a subject - She assists / I assist with coordinating credit control (better without "the") Assistin

Re: Just because..., (it) doesn’t mean...  •  January 4, 2014, 8:27pm  •  0 vote

All three are fine except for the comma in the middle one, as the subject there is the whole clause "Just because I was mean to you". Otherwise, that construction is perfectly OK - "Just because it's

Re: Possessive with acromyms ending in S  •  December 22, 2013, 6:51am  •  0 vote

@Harry Boscoe - now you're talking. Here are some non-governmental sources for your examples: Inside the OAS's Cuba Conundrum - Time Magazine HHS's Sebelius: 'No, My Halloween Costume Is Not A Pin

Re: Possessive with acromyms ending in S  •  December 18, 2013, 2:51am  •  0 vote

@Harry Boscoe - As far as I know, your examples all refer to singular nouns - Inland Revenue Service, Columbia Broadcasting System etc, which certainly answer nicolejamison's original question, and wh

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 13, 2013, 9:38am  •  0 vote

Hi, Jim - firstly, like = said is usually thought to be of a Valley girl provenance (see Wikipedia article linked to below). There's a wicked parody of it by Catherine Tait on YouTube (warning - F-wor

Re: Selfie  •  December 12, 2013, 6:59am  •  0 vote

"Selfies of 2013 – the best, worst and most revealing" - The Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2013/dec/11/selfies-2013-the-best-worst-most-revealing

Re: Selfie  •  December 12, 2013, 6:53am  •  0 vote

"David Cameron and Danish PM brush off criticism of Mandela memorial selfie" - The Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/11/david-cameron-danish-pm-mandela-memorial-selfie

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 12, 2013, 4:42am  •  0 vote

@Buzzbuzz10 - well that second part rules me well out, by a few decades even. Perhaps I should also confess that I never use FB and don't currently live in the UK, so I'm not the best person to ask ab

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 11, 2013, 3:44pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - OTT is pretty old hat now, I think, although I hadn't realised it had originally been stronger in the States. About the same vintage as "moreish" (BrE), I would imagine. http://books.goog

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 11, 2013, 3:37pm  •  0 vote

@Buzzbuzz10 - I'm not really aware of these new meanings of sick. This could be geographical (I'm British), but probably more likely to do with age. Every generation of young people invent their o

Re: “as long as” vs. “so long as”  •  December 11, 2013, 6:55am  •  0 vote

@Tanvir - I'm not with you, could you give us an example?

Re: “my” vs. “mine” in multiple owner possessive  •  December 11, 2013, 6:52am  •  0 vote

@jayles - I do agree with you about keeping terminology to a minimum in lessons, and I grant you that students are much likely to know what adjectives are than determiners. And to use your analogy, we

Re: “You have two choices”  •  December 10, 2013, 4:04pm  •  0 vote

Hi HS, I presume you are simply expressing a dislike of the use of the word "choices" to mean "options" or "alternatives". But this surely quite standard, as in the expression "multiple-choice questio

Re: pre-order  •  December 10, 2013, 2:59pm  •  1 vote

I don't know about pre-book, although It seems to simply mean book in advance (i.e. before you usually would or is necessary). Pre-order is easy enough - it means to order something before it becomes

Re: “my” vs. “mine” in multiple owner possessive  •  December 10, 2013, 2:30pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I agree with you about terminology when teaching foreign learners, but this is a language forum, where we should be able to discuss these things. And then you yourself use a piece of termino

Re: “my” vs. “mine” in multiple owner possessive  •  December 9, 2013, 2:50pm  •  0 vote

@Syed Usman - " 'My' is not a possessive pronoun, 'My' is a determiner and 'Mine' is a possessive pronoun." Were it only so easy! In EFL, we certainly refer to "my" etc as determiners and "mine" a

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 9, 2013, 1:48pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - by colonial, I assume you mean American. Its current use may have started in America, but it's certainly not an American word, at least not on its original meaning of inspiring awe (1590s).

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 8, 2013, 5:51am  •  0 vote

Hi Jim, I confess to the last one occasionally, but this may be more of a British thing - this is from Practical English Usage by Michael Swan, a bible for EFL teachers: "Object forms are sometimes

Re: “It is I” vs. “It is me”  •  December 8, 2013, 4:57am  •  0 vote

@jayles - Neither. I think you're trying to force an answer where one isn't necessary, as we are unlikely to use either: "I think I know who stole the petty cash; it was Janice!" "Really? Which

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 6, 2013, 3:03pm  •  0 vote

Hi Jim. Try Googling it the other way round, i.e. for "pre-plan".Go to page 2 (past all the definitions) and it's nearly all for funeral services. As for dictionaries, being a teacher, I nearly alw

Re: Modal Remoteness & Tense  •  December 6, 2013, 2:19pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - I wouldn't think so much about which goes with which tense; it's the meaning that is important. Second and third conditionals are both about hypothetical or unreal conditions: Second is a

Re: Modal Remoteness & Tense  •  December 4, 2013, 3:57pm  •  1 vote

@Jasper (1) "If it were ever mentioned, which happened very little, Fei Forest would sometimes be referred to as the Crescent Forest because of how it curves around Braunvour Gulf." OK, this fall

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 4, 2013, 2:58pm  •  0 vote

@providencejim - I think you're right about ''based out of' not being used in the UK; at last I haven't heard it, although I'm now living outwith the UK anyway. I wouldn't use it myself, but it doesn'

Re: Selfie  •  December 3, 2013, 5:25pm  •  1 vote

Come on. Up to speed, you two; selfie is so last month. This month's word is shelfie. http://www.macmillandictionary.com/open-dictionary/entries/shelfie.htm And there are more meanings at the Ur

Re: “Based out of”: Why?  •  December 3, 2013, 5:17pm  •  1 vote

I'd suggest that there is a slight difference: "You are going to be based in the NY office" = you will spend most of your time working in the NY office. "You are going to be based out of the NY of

Re: “a letter that had requested” vs. “a letter that requested”  •  December 3, 2013, 4:24pm  •  0 vote

I think this is a bit similar to a question jayles put a few weeks ago about time clauses. For me, A1 doesn't work. I'm not sure if I can explain why, but let's have a go anyway. Here's a stripped dow

Re: Correspondence  •  December 3, 2013, 2:58pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I stand corrected. The Channel 5 one is disappointing, admittedly, but look carefully at your second example - It really means "the five things about Linux you aren't allowed to discuss", h

Re: Modal Remoteness & Tense  •  December 3, 2013, 2:19pm  •  1 vote

Could you perhaps give examples of what you mean by modality and modal remoteness? As far as conditionals go, I think there are several ways to talk about the past. Probably the most common is Third c

Re: Correspondence  •  December 1, 2013, 4:01am  •  0 vote

@Skeeter Lewis - but I'm in total agreement with you that the language people use is endlessly fascinating: that's why I contribute to this blog. But I prefer to treat it as an observer rather than as

Re: Correspondence  •  November 30, 2013, 1:34pm  •  0 vote

@Skeeter - let's get things in perspective. I teach foreigners English, so obviously their language is important to me. My children's language would be important to me. But how somebody else talks isn

Re: Correspondence  •  November 30, 2013, 9:06am  •  0 vote

@Skeeter - 'does it really matter?' - the quote I followed that with should have put that in context. Yes it matters to me what language I use, but compared to what else is happening in the world, the

Re: Correspondence  •  November 29, 2013, 5:35pm  •  0 vote

@Skeeter - there are quite a few words out there I don't like and simply don't use. For example, I personally desperately try and avoid things like 'whom' and the impersonal pronoun 'one' - which just

Re: Correspondence  •  November 29, 2013, 1:32pm  •  0 vote

Whoops - A book by Cornelius Walker, republished in 2003.

Re: Correspondence  •  November 29, 2013, 1:29pm  •  0 vote

@Skeeter - as a teacher I've learnt that 'never' is a dangerous word, and the same goes for 'does not exist'. See xavier_onassis's comment and jayles's reference (it's quite often used in astrology,

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 26, 2013, 2:07pm  •  0 vote

@AnWulf - you seem to have stumbled across something interesting with that book you linked to: there are indeed quite a lot of references to psychoanalysis trainings and psychoanalytic trainings in Br

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 26, 2013, 1:35pm  •  0 vote

@Chris B - Quite agree with you about touch base etc, in fact I did a post on my blog warning learners about these expressions a couple of years ago - the title being "Loop back to me and we'll touch

Re: Tell About  •  November 24, 2013, 9:15am  •  0 vote

@providencejim - I've been doing a bit of digging, and there's quite a bit in Faulkner, so I've added a section on him to my post, with some details and links. So thanks for the tip. Incidentally, whi

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 24, 2013, 9:11am  •  0 vote

@jayles - interesting about 'trainings'. As to the people who need to use English at work, to repeat, a foreign language (or two or three) is seen as a normal part of a person's education here, as

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 23, 2013, 6:59am  •  0 vote

Back on topic - vattafairefoote made a very good point right at the beginning of this discussion, which I think porsche rather unreasonably dismissed - the comparison with British "orientate". "con

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 23, 2013, 5:30am  •  0 vote

@jayles (2) - sorry, I misunderstood your earlier comment about Standard English. I thought you were complaining about it coming under pressure, whereas you were simply stating a fact. Your point abou

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 23, 2013, 4:43am  •  0 vote

@jayles (1) - the truth is that either multinationals 'sweep' in or you have unemployment. Poland is the only country in Europe to have seen continuous growth for the last ten years, so I don't think

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 22, 2013, 7:01am  •  1 vote

@HS - 'If you are happy with rubbish like "conversate", "would of". "hone in on", etc creeping into the language then so be it.' - Sorry HS, but I expect better of you than this sort of condescending

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 22, 2013, 5:55am  •  0 vote

@jayles (2) - Are you writing for the Daily Mail now? This is just scaremongering, on a topic you've hinted at before. The number of Chinese by ethnicity in Glasgow is about 5,000 (less than one pe

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 22, 2013, 5:14am  •  0 vote

@jayles (1) - "How would you feel if you had English forced on you if you were Polish or Gujarati?" - I don't quite see what bearing this has with anything I said, but here goes. The only language

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 22, 2013, 12:25am  •  0 vote

I meant enriched, of course, not enrichened. What an abomination!

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 21, 2013, 4:42pm  •  2 votes

@HS - for at least five hundred years some people have been complaining that English is going to the dogs, and surprise, surprise, it has simply gone from strength to strength. Where you see "chaos

Re: Tell About  •  November 21, 2013, 3:55pm  •  0 vote

@providencejim - Ah! The vagaries of Google Books. I've just had a quick check through the links I gave, and I they are all verifiable (showing the actual examples) except for A Giant's Strength. I th

Re: Word in question: Conversate  •  November 20, 2013, 5:18pm  •  2 votes

@HS - and thank God we don't have such an equivalent, and that every time the idea has been suggested, from John Dryden onwards, wiser heads have prevailed. Language is an organic beast, not somet

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  November 20, 2013, 5:01pm  •  0 vote

@alexandre - I think we all knew that 'if I were you' was an incomplete sentence, hence the three ellipsis dots in the original question. And as for your second point, the one you want us to THINK

Re: Tell About  •  November 20, 2013, 4:45pm  •  0 vote

Hi providencejim - in the post on my blog (link above) I list the instances of tell about in Sinclair's books, but I'll put them here as well - 68 in all. On my blog there are links to the examples in

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 19, 2013, 8:20am  •  0 vote

@jayles -Yup. First class this morning was 7.00, so the alarm went at 5.30 (other days are all 7.30 starts). The snow hasn't arrived yet, but it can't be long now. Amongst other places, I teach in one

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 18, 2013, 1:43pm  •  1 vote

@jayles and HS - the noun in its figurative sense goes back to 1858 (Online Etymology), and is not, as far as I know an Americanism. As a verb, I repeat, it has two meanings, both of which I agree hav

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 17, 2013, 5:42am  •  0 vote

@Brus - we may have a somewhat arbitrary spelling system, but at least we largely agree how to spell each individual word. That wasn't the case in the past. Virtually all dictionaries are descripti

Re: “feedback” and “check in”  •  November 16, 2013, 3:16am  •  0 vote

At the cutting edge of spelling - that's a new one on me. Before Johnson, everybody did as Brus suggests, and we had spelling chaos. Dictionaries are surely there to be used. I've better things to do

Re: Plural last name ending in “z”  •  November 15, 2013, 4:47pm  •  0 vote

@Larkin - I second Hairy Scot - I don't see any reason why surnames should be any different from other nouns - brooch / brooches, church / churches, Goodrich / Goodriches - as in this book - The Goodr

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