Warsaw Will

Joined: December 3, 2010

Number of comments posted: 1272

Number of votes received: 473

I'm a TEFL teacher working in Poland. I have a blog - Random Idea English - where I do some grammar stuff for advanced students and have the occasional rant against pedantry.

Questions Submitted

fewer / less

Natural as an adverb

tonne vs ton

Tell About

“reach out”

Recent Comments

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  May 8, 2014, 4:22pm  •  1 vote

@AnWulf - good rant, but it just ain't going to happen, so on my blog I've started to try and work out just how the spelling system works; I prefer to work with what we've got rather then change the w

Re: “graduated high school” or “graduated from high school”?  •  May 7, 2014, 5:10pm  •  0 vote

@providencejim - Hi again. If we can ignore that 'in the real world bit'; that's just one of HS's little foibles. But in essence HS is right, there are a couple of differences between North American a

Re: fewer / less  •  May 7, 2014, 4:27pm  •  0 vote

And this raises a supplementary question. Does awarding 'bad grammar awards' really encourage people to get interested in grammar, or simply perpetuate the idea that grammar is about not making 'mista

Re: fewer / less  •  May 6, 2014, 2:14pm  •  0 vote

HS - I would probably agree with you about 'in more elegant speech', but I'm not particularly concerned about being elegant in my speech, unless I'm in a formal situation (which is virtually never).

Re: Couldn’t Care Less  •  May 6, 2014, 1:28pm  •  1 vote

@HS - I think that could qualify as a double whammy.

Re: The use of “hey” in place of “hello”.  •  May 6, 2014, 1:25pm  •  0 vote

I wonder what the etymology of 'Okay Idiots' as a salutation is. In fact, 'hey' as an interjection goes back rather further than that, to 1200, apparently. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allow

Re: Couldn’t Care Less  •  May 5, 2014, 1:56pm  •  0 vote

As a Brit I really shouldn't get involved in this very American question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have the vague memory from American movies that 'I could care less' is stressed differently fr

Re: “This is she” vs. “This is her”  •  May 3, 2014, 7:58am  •  1 vote

@joy - as some of our sillier rules (for example not using split infinitives or ending a sentence with a preposition) have resulted from grammarians trying to align English with Latin, I would say no.

Re: Everybody vs. Everyone  •  May 3, 2014, 6:20am  •  0 vote

@Blue piano man - there certainly seems to be a bias towards using 'everyone' when talking about people present, and 'everybody' might possibly be used more to talk about people in general, but this d

Re: Alternate Prepositions?  •  May 3, 2014, 5:40am  •  0 vote

I think you were probably right about the rise since the sixties, but this was after a drop since 1880, which is easier to see when you take 'different from' out of the graph. The use of 'different to

Re: Alternate Prepositions?  •  May 1, 2014, 6:10am  •  0 vote

@HS - OK, so that apparently makes me affected and part of a contrary bunch who want to be different, even though as far as I know I've been using 'different to' since childhood, and wasn't even aware

Re: “enamored with” and “enamored by”  •  April 30, 2014, 6:29pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I would agree that 'Did you forget already' is more likely to be found in spoken language, but that doesn't necessarily make it a sign of being less educated. For example, try doing an N

Re: “This is she” vs. “This is her”  •  April 30, 2014, 5:50pm  •  0 vote

OK, as I really can't get my head around when anyone would say either 'This is she' or 'This is her', how about this - which pair sound more natural? That's her over there. This will be him coming

Re: Alternate Prepositions?  •  April 30, 2014, 5:36pm  •  0 vote

I'd never heard of either of these before, but I don't really see why it should be down to any ulterior motive. Perhaps it's a dialectical thing that has come out into the open (my preferred option).

Re: “dis” vs “un”  •  April 29, 2014, 3:36pm  •  0 vote

I really don't think there's any difference per se between un- and dis-, although with certain words they may have taken on separate meanings. Relatively few words take a dis- prefix, and most of thos

Re: “enamored with” and “enamored by”  •  April 29, 2014, 2:44pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - Of course I agree that 'gotten' is now American usage, but a lot of words and expressions thought to be American are of British origin. For example I've written on my blog about tidbit, whic

Re: “American”  •  April 28, 2014, 4:32am  •  0 vote

@Orion - so now we know how good you are put downs, how about something constructive? Or perhaps that really is all you can say.

Re: “enamored with” and “enamored by”  •  April 27, 2014, 4:17pm  •  0 vote

@Patricia Davies - gotten is a very old English word, and is listed as the past participle of get in Johnson's Dictionary of 1755. Its use by Americans has nothing to do with German. They kept it when

Re: obliged or obligated?  •  April 27, 2014, 7:08am  •  1 vote

Personally I never, ever use it, obliged covering both meanings - duty, and expressing gratitude, especially in BrE. It is certainly more common in American books than in British ones (it is consi

Re: Pled versus pleaded  •  April 26, 2014, 12:10pm  •  1 vote

@Bob Foster - Being Scottish, where it is also used in court, I have no objection to 'pled', indeed rather like it. But on a point of information, or however you lawyers put it, although it may have

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 26, 2014, 4:08am  •  0 vote

@jayles - OK, but I'd still be very wary of getting too dependent on them, which is no doubt what a lot of people do nowadays. Much better that somebody has a good grounding in spelling. Their best us

Re: attorneys general vs. attorney generals  •  April 25, 2014, 6:46pm  •  1 vote

@Jonahan Bingham - definitely two Books of Mormon. It's the book you've got two of, not Mormons. From various books at Google Books: "We were there an hour and a half signing autographs and giving

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 25, 2014, 7:11am  •  0 vote

@AnWulf - On the pronunciation of vowels, Standard British English has 20 sounds: 12 monophthongs and 8 diphthongs. http://random-idea-english.blogspot.com/p/sounds-ipa.html Perhaps I should po

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 25, 2014, 3:29am  •  1 vote

@AnWulf - 'every study that I'v seen shows that English speaking lands hav higher illiteracy rates and that nativ English speaking students are often behind their counterparts from other more fonetica

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 23, 2014, 5:29pm  •  0 vote

That started off a bit shakily - I should have said that speaking, listening and reading (conversations and very short texts) are totally integrated, so that students see, hear and repeat new words a

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 23, 2014, 5:26pm  •  0 vote

Actually I probably exaggerated a bit about beginners and oral learning a bit - but even teaching beginners using a course book, speaking, listening are totally integrated (there is less emphasis on w

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 23, 2014, 4:56pm  •  0 vote

@AnWulf - as for foreign students, I can only speak for my twelve years or so teaching full-time in Poland. In my experience, grammar poses far more problems than spelling, especially the sort of gram

Re: Plural of Yes  •  April 23, 2014, 2:15pm  •  0 vote

Well if Microsoft say so, it must be right (!). I think I will stick with Oxford, which gives me a choice. And my choice will continue to be 'yesses' for the reasons I've given above. Admittedly the o

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 22, 2014, 5:47am  •  0 vote

@HS - It seems that the pronunciation of both ligatures had changed to single vowel sounds in Latin before they reached English: In Latin, the combination denotes a diphthong, pronounced [oi̯], tha

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 22, 2014, 5:22am  •  0 vote

@HS - In the case of foetus, in the original Latin it was fetus, without a ligature. Presumably the addition of the ligature is down to a mistaken scholar. In the system used in the following definiti

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 21, 2014, 11:57am  •  0 vote

Interesting, that in British books, if Ngram is anything to go by, the æ and œ ligatures gave way to ae and oe diphthongs around 1820, well before the invention of the typewriter. This is the case

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 21, 2014, 11:30am  •  0 vote

@Chris B - my misunderstanding :)

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 21, 2014, 5:17am  •  1 vote

I missed these Ngrams off the last one as I was getting 'Invalid form registration' for some reason. http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=demon%2Cdaemon%2Cd%C3%A6mon&year_start=1800&year_en

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 21, 2014, 5:16am  •  0 vote

@Chris B - fair enough, but as you say, it is rather a subculture. As I understand, it the 'Dark Materials' series are children's books, and fantasy at that. I'm sure there are lots of words and spell

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 19, 2014, 9:28am  •  0 vote

@HS - It seems we can put quite a lot of these inconsistencies down to the Great Vowel Shift, the first stage of which involved two high vowels being diphthongised - /ɪ:/ as in tree started to be pron

Re: “it’s the put-er-on-er-er”  •  April 19, 2014, 3:45am  •  0 vote

@jayles - it's in the OED - so there's your answer. I notice these are all from 'up'. (well done,by the way, I hadn't thought of doubling the p in up), so how about with some other prepositions?

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 19, 2014, 3:38am  •  0 vote

@HS - I think you are investing me with more expertise than I possess. However, I think if I was creative, my answer might begin something lie this: I take it you already know Of tough and bough a

Re: On Tomorrow  •  April 18, 2014, 12:43pm  •  0 vote

As has been mentioned several times above, "on the morrow" is a very old expression, with the meaning the next day or the day, with nearly twenty instances in the King James Bible. It seems to have la

Re: “it’s the put-er-on-er-er”  •  April 18, 2014, 10:10am  •  0 vote

@Liverwort - Oh, ye of little faith! :) And here's the one for armor-putter-on-er, with multiple '-er's. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsXZjZL5UrA I suggest we make a collection of these thingie

Re: “it’s the put-er-on-er-er”  •  April 17, 2014, 12:21pm  •  0 vote

There are a couple of videos at YouTube, both American - the pants-put-er-on-er, and the armor-put-er-on-er, and a few Google hits for taker-off-er. A single 'er' after the preposition makes some sens

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 17, 2014, 7:21am  •  0 vote

@HS - some of these spelling conventions seem to have arrived much later than the words. For example, Online Etymology suggests that it was in fact fetus, not foetus, in Latin. A well-known example is

Re: Which sound “normal” to you?  •  April 17, 2014, 6:43am  •  0 vote

@jayles :)

Re: Which sound “normal” to you?  •  April 16, 2014, 3:35pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - OK, I give you that, and I can see you might be right in making the connection to Old English. All I'd say is that I've never seen could and would described as being subjunctive in English i

Re: Which sound “normal” to you?  •  April 16, 2014, 4:49am  •  0 vote

@jayles - I'm sorry to harp on, but I simply don't accept they are subjunctive in polite phrases either; as I said, they equate to conditional mood in other languages, especially those that use subjun

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 16, 2014, 4:17am  •  0 vote

@jayles - I think it's a question of spelling. Fetus vs foetus rather than fœtus. Try doing a site search for fœtus the BBC or the Guardian and nearly all the results are for foetus. And remember that

Re: Social vs Societal  •  April 15, 2014, 6:30pm  •  0 vote

@Rocky - I talked simply about social change happening at a societal change as a way of trying to explain the use of the word societal (so yes, I was very concerned with the language point); I wasn't

Re: Mentee?  •  April 15, 2014, 1:58pm  •  0 vote

In a follow-up to the blog post in jayles' link, the writer, Glen J Player, seems to have given into 'the inevitable', and accepted mentee, because of its standing at Ngram. But he forgot to include p

Re: Social vs Societal  •  April 15, 2014, 1:42pm  •  0 vote

@Rocky - UKIP if you want to, but I think some of us would prefer to keep this a politics-free zone. I could just as well say that Brits have been indoctrinated against the EU by the likes of the Sun

Re: Have diphthongs gone for good?  •  April 15, 2014, 1:36pm  •  0 vote

I think there are two different things here: The first mainly affects British spelling - in faeces and foetus, the ligature (æ and œ) has a single vowel sound- 'ee' - /ɪ:/ in IPA; it's not pronoun

Re: Which sound “normal” to you?  •  April 15, 2014, 12:15pm  •  0 vote

@jayles -I think perhaps we're a little at cross-purposes. I was asking whether Headway said that C was the only correct answer, and that in other words A and D were wrong. I'm afraid I disagree t

Re: Which sound “normal” to you?  •  April 14, 2014, 12:14pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I haven't checked it yet, but I'm still not clear: were they saying there was only one correct answer, or that one answer was incorrect. I still maintain that there is a difference in mea

Re: Mentee?  •  April 14, 2014, 11:41am  •  0 vote

@jayles- he has a great argument - somebody comes across a word they haven't seen before; they don't like it, or think that its construction doesn't follow a certain rule, so hey presto, 'it's not a w

Re: Mentee?  •  April 14, 2014, 5:26am  •  0 vote

@HS - Apprenticeship and mentoring are two totally different things. The former is a formal period of training, usually under a particular boss, who is responsible for that training, with usually some

Re: Natural as an adverb  •  April 14, 2014, 4:54am  •  0 vote

@HS - They don't sound right as Standard English, but the first one, at least, is quite normal in dialect, and of course there's the famous 'The boy done good'. Dialects have different rules, and in s

Re: Which sound “normal” to you?  •  April 14, 2014, 4:29am  •  0 vote

@jayles - well, it's definite that people don't use it, but it would have been nice to know why. I presume that's where your original question came from; I 'll have a look at it next time I'm in the o

Re: therefore, thus as conjunctions  •  April 13, 2014, 7:50am  •  0 vote

@ps.nikki - Jennifer showed the "formal correct" punctuation (I'll go with Jasper on that - when you're writing informally, you can do what you like), but it's necessary to know the difference between

Re: Pronunciation of indefinite article “a”  •  April 13, 2014, 7:11am  •  0 vote

@jayles - I bow to your greater knowledge of OE and ME, and I accept that a/an came from OE for one - you can see the same thing in many languages - Freench, German, Spanish etc. But I'm going to b

Re: Which sound “normal” to you?  •  April 13, 2014, 6:35am  •  0 vote

For me, A definitely expresses annoyance: I think we'd stress 'must'. D could go either way, depending on whether we stress 'have'. C is fairly neutral for me, simply asking about a fact. Although

Re: Mentee?  •  April 13, 2014, 6:15am  •  0 vote

Whether it's dreadful or not is a personal issue, and once I got used to it it sounded fine to me. Perhaps it's unnecessary, as my dictionary gives exactly the same definition for mentee and protég

Re: Pronunciation of indefinite article “a”  •  April 7, 2014, 12:45pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - Sorry, I regret parts of that last comment. It didn't come out the way I intended, and I certainly don't want to start WWIII with you. So, sorry again and please try an ignore my crassness.

Re: Pronunciation of indefinite article “a”  •  April 7, 2014, 5:09am  •  0 vote

@jayles - Language is never worth starting WWIII over, regardless of whether things were the same or not in OE or ME (I can't quite see the relevance of that comment, except to fly the Anglish flag) :

Re: Pronunciation of indefinite article “a”  •  April 6, 2014, 7:54am  •  0 vote

@Afzal - I think you'll find that Cooke's complaint about the use of /eɪ/ (AY) was when the unstressed form /ə/ (UH) was more appropriate, regarding it as an affectation. I'd be very surprised if he

Re: Pronunciation of indefinite article “a”  •  April 6, 2014, 5:54am  •  0 vote

That should, of course, have been 'idea ... comes from' and 'not even from Alistair Cooke'.

Re: Pronunciation of indefinite article “a”  •  April 6, 2014, 5:51am  •  0 vote

@Afzal - OK, I concede on Alistair Cooke's British birth; I made a mistake. I was a regular listener to Letter from America, however, and would maintain that he had gained a soft American accent, no

Re: “I’ve got” vs. “I have”  •  April 4, 2014, 8:56am  •  1 vote

@Moucon - I wonder what you mean exactly when you say 'I've got' is the subjective form. The term subjective usually applies only to pronouns (as in subjective case), and 'I' is subjective in both 'I

Re: Pronunciation of indefinite article “a”  •  April 4, 2014, 8:21am  •  0 vote

@Afzal - I'm intrigued as to just what nature of disaster occurs when I emphasise 'a' by pronouncing it as in 'say'. And although I might possibly use a stronger schwa instead, I can't imagine ever pr

Re: In actuality, actually  •  April 2, 2014, 2:21pm  •  3 votes

@durendal - you might want to check your grammar before throwing brickbats at other people. underink seems to have said it all, and I think this example sentence from Oxford Dictionaries Online sho

Re: Social vs Societal  •  April 1, 2014, 1:50pm  •  0 vote

@Rashad - I enjoyed your first reply - it certainly made me laugh a couple of times, and I admire your quiet restraint. In your second one, you're getting there (in my opinion), but I think government

Re: Social vs Societal  •  March 31, 2014, 3:51pm  •  3 votes

@Az - It is possible to constructively disagree with someone without insulting them, you know.

Re: Pronunciation Etiquette—Hypothetical Question  •  March 30, 2014, 6:31am  •  0 vote

Nepal - from Wikipedia - in English - ne-PAWL; in Nepali: नेपाल [neˈpal] (you can hear both at Wikipedia) - so it look like the Aussies are closer to the native pronunciation. I have to go with jay

Re: Pronunciation Etiquette—Hypothetical Question  •  March 29, 2014, 7:16pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I don't think HS's remarks were so much about the 'Indian' as the 'Antipodean' commentator, as the examples of he gives of the 'Indian' commentator are all in fact standard British English,

Re: Pronunciation Etiquette—Hypothetical Question  •  March 29, 2014, 4:22pm  •  0 vote

My favourite dictionary (Oxford Advanced Learner's) defines 'politically correct' as: 'used to describe language or behaviour that deliberately tries to avoid offending particular groups of people'

Re: Pronunciation Etiquette—Hypothetical Question  •  March 28, 2014, 4:58pm  •  0 vote

As regards names, I think you should try and get as close as possible to the native language. It's ironic, but only now he's an ex-president are the British media getting Sarkosy's name right (i.e not

Re: What does “Curb your dog” mean?  •  March 23, 2014, 4:50am  •  0 vote

@Brus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_%28road%29

Re: “I’m just saying”  •  March 22, 2014, 3:54pm  •  0 vote

@Skeeter Lewis - is that perhaps a polite expression for spam? :) I had thought of reporting it, but decided not to.

Re: Do’s and Don’t's  •  March 22, 2014, 2:26pm  •  0 vote

@Carl45 - Sorry to be the cause of your biggest pet peeve, but in this case those of us not bound by a style guide have a choice. As for using one rule in one word and not the other, it's partly to d

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 21, 2014, 8:25am  •  0 vote

@jayles and Jasper - many apologies - I got confused with all these formulae - I didn't take in that there were two of you at it.

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 20, 2014, 3:32pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - Sorry, but you've totally lost me. No, don't try and explain, I'm just no good at maths. But I do like language.

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 20, 2014, 5:34am  •  0 vote

@jayles - I don't use any of these, except for the original, but I'm afraid your stuff looks too much like mathematical formulae for me. As for question forms, I like good old-fashioned QASI or QA

Re: What does “Curb your dog” mean?  •  March 19, 2014, 2:30pm  •  0 vote

According to one source (link below) it all started in New York in the thirties, and that ‘Please Curb your Dog’ meant ‘Don’t let your dog do its business on the sidewalk. Let your dog do it in the ro

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 19, 2014, 1:50pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - sorry that should have been new info later. Can you confirm that in: SxMpp[OPT] - for "She had quickly walked her dog down the street the night before." x = Aux and pp = past participl

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 19, 2014, 3:55am  •  0 vote

@jayles - within the structure of SVO etc English also puts old info first and info later, which is why passive can be useful, as well as delaying constructions like 'there is/are'. We also like to p

Re: Proper use of st, nd, rd, and th — ordinal indicators  •  March 17, 2014, 7:40am  •  0 vote

This is quite interesting, especially the comments, from Ben Yagoda's blog - Not One Off Britishisms: http://britishisms.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/european-date-format/

Re: What does “Curb your dog” mean?  •  March 17, 2014, 6:08am  •  0 vote

@porsche - 'the modern world' - does that mean the modern world is restricted to North America? As far as I know, this expression is used nowhere else (for a starter we say 'kerb' in the UK, and so pr

Re: On Tomorrow  •  March 14, 2014, 6:50pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - the problem with that is that Monday can be used in all sorts of ways as a noun, not just in expressions such as I'll see you (on) Monday - using your formula, the results for British books

Re: What does “Curb your dog” mean?  •  March 14, 2014, 6:21pm  •  0 vote

Just to forestall any misunderstandings - kerb (BrE) = curb (AmE), so both Hairy Scot and Dyske are right on that one.

Re: “How is everything tasting?”  •  March 14, 2014, 6:15pm  •  0 vote

The best practice is, of course, to encourage waiting or any other serving staff to use their own language rather than a formulaic question, whatever the question is. John Cleese used to be involved i

Re: “You have two choices”  •  March 14, 2014, 6:05pm  •  0 vote

@HS - math is simply American for maths: Funnily enough the earliest examples of maths I can find are from the first volume of the American Educational Journal, dated 1864, where teachers advertise

Re: “You have two choices”  •  March 12, 2014, 3:42am  •  0 vote

@HS - I referred to PP as his comments are now labelled Hairy Scot, so I naturally assumed you were one and the same person; I'm sorry for your loss. As for 'yeah right' I think you're being a little

Re: “You have two choices”  •  March 11, 2014, 7:37pm  •  0 vote

@Hairy Scot - "just another damned Americanism sent to plague us" - yeah, right! "to seeke some other place of stay and refuge, the better of which two choices, did carry with it the appearance of

Re: What is the word for intentionally incorrect spelling?  •  March 11, 2014, 6:35pm  •  0 vote

@Peter Reynolds - Thanks.

Re: What does “Curb your dog” mean?  •  March 11, 2014, 6:33pm  •  0 vote

Just to add to what Hairy Scot and Brus have said, I would have said just the same as with curb anything else: curb your temper curb inflation curb the spread of the disease But as 'Curb your

Re: “admits to”  •  March 11, 2014, 6:23pm  •  0 vote

a British perspective: at the BBC (and other media seem to have similar results) admitted the charge - 140, to the charge - 3 admitted the charges - 120, to the charges - 3 admitted the offence

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 11, 2014, 5:46pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - do I not remember you advocating keeping technical stuff to a minimum? I had no idea what your SV[OPT] meant until I saw your explanation, and realised I had told a student the same this mor

Re: Pronouncing “str” like “shtr” as in “shtrong” “shtrange”  •  March 10, 2014, 7:27pm  •  1 vote

@Mrs Davenport - I agree with you that a lot of comments of the 'it really annoys me' variety do tend to be pointed at what seem to be aimed at expressions which come from one or other Afro-American d

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 10, 2014, 6:45pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I think I'll just stick with subject-verb inversion - to complete your quote from Marit Westergaard at Tromsø: "Within traditional grammar, this is often called subject-verb inversion (e.

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 9, 2014, 1:13pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - I've just noticed a difference between you two example sentences: I do not love her nor hate her. I have never hurt nor killed another person. The second one works for me as it has a

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 9, 2014, 12:40pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper, I wouldn't call that fronting but simple inversion, which is compulsory after 'nor', whereas fronting is always optional: She doesn't smoke, and nor do I. Look at your own examples, fo

Re: “You have two choices”  •  March 8, 2014, 3:07am  •  0 vote

@porsche - OK, I accept that we can use it idiomatically to mean no choice; here's one from the British National Corpus similar to yours - "Well he's got two choices, he can either eat them or starve

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  March 6, 2014, 5:55am  •  0 vote

@Jasper - she's not against teaching grammar, but would prefer it through writing, not teaching a lot of (sometimes silly) rules before getting the students to write anything. And I think the author w

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