jayles the unwoven

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Are proverbs dying?

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Re: Victorian Era English  •  December 21, 2014, 2:30am  •  0 vote

Just trying to get a handle on when present continuous became so widespread in English and began to be used instead of will/shall Taking "comes" vs "is coming" as an example, and beginning with Cha

Re: issue as problem  •  December 19, 2014, 5:28pm  •  1 vote

OOPS meant to post: http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=she+has+issues%2C+he+has+issues%2C+you+have+issues&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&di

Re: issue as problem  •  December 19, 2014, 5:26pm  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=problem%3Aeng_us_2012%2Cissue%3Aeng_us_2012.%2Cproblem%3Aeng_gb_2012%2Cissue%3Aeng_gb_2012&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direc

Re: Victorian Era English  •  December 18, 2014, 6:55pm  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=is+coming%2Cwill+come%2Cwill+be+coming%2Care+coming%2Cshall+come&year_start=1500&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cis%20coming%

Re: Victorian Era English  •  December 18, 2014, 1:57am  •  0 vote

One must strive to imitate the language of the Bronte sisters and others of that ilk. Using a dialect is more likely to be credible. Use the "thou" forms instead of "you" when addressing one family

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  December 17, 2014, 2:05pm  •  1 vote

Just to explain the meaning of the grammatical term "relative clause": As you may know, Santa is spending this Xmas down-under visiting relatives, leaving the prezzie handout to DHL. Unfortunately

Re: “Anglish”  •  December 17, 2014, 12:42pm  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=has+been+wanting%2Chave+been+wanting%2Cis+loving%2Care+loving&year_start=1500&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Chas%20been%20wa

Re: “Anglish”  •  December 17, 2014, 12:33pm  •  0 vote

"Because back in the 1840s, around 80 percent of people living in Wales were Welsh speakers, many of them spoke no English at all. Fast forward to the recent 2011 census and that number has dropped to

Re: “Anglish”  •  December 17, 2014, 12:26pm  •  0 vote

http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~cpercy/courses/6362-lamont.htm My next question would be: how much did the post-1847 drive to teach English to Welsh children in schools contribute to the much-more-

Re: “Anglish”  •  December 16, 2014, 10:40pm  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=is+coming%2Care+coming%2Cam+coming%2Cwill+come%2Cwill+be+coming%2Cis+going+to+come&year_start=1500&year_end=2012&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1

Re: 3 Laning?  •  December 12, 2014, 11:10pm  •  0 vote

"deviation" + "railway" shows up quite easily on Google

Re: 3 Laning?  •  December 11, 2014, 6:09pm  •  0 vote

I never understood why the French for 'detour' is 'deviation' on all the roadworks

Re: “Anglish”  •  December 7, 2014, 6:43pm  •  0 vote

So what did they use in Middle English for "decide"? "Choose" is not quite the same thing. "betake" seems little used in books (after 1500) "slit" (cf schliessen, entschliessen) does not seem to

Re: “Anglish”  •  December 3, 2014, 9:19pm  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=wanted+him+to%2Cwanted+her+to%2Cwant+him+to%2Cwant+her+to%2Cwant+you+to%2Cyou+should%2Cwant+thee+to%2Cwanted+thee+to%2Cthou+shouldst%2Cthou+shouldest%2Cwan

Re: “Anglish”  •  December 3, 2014, 3:33am  •  0 vote

One of the odd grammatical things about modern English is the way we use : want. Eg: I want her to come Oddly, if one puts this phrase into Ngrams it does not show up before 1804 http://books.g

Re: “Anglish”  •  December 2, 2014, 7:52pm  •  0 vote

No need to cloud the meaning with "pedophile" when foot-lover would do instead.

Re: “Watching on”?  •  December 1, 2014, 10:04pm  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=watching+on+&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cwatching%20on%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bwatching%

Re: “Anglish”  •  November 25, 2014, 2:07am  •  1 vote

@HS Given our diverse genetic genes, and the otherness of our upbringing and sundry experiences, and the on-flow on our mindset and thinking, it is hardly likely we shall see eye to eye on this. To lo

Re: “Anglish”  •  November 24, 2014, 6:03pm  •  0 vote

oops 'vendor' instead of 'seller'

Re: “Anglish”  •  November 24, 2014, 6:01pm  •  1 vote

@HS Why is this thread here? Well it has lead me to consider the roots of modern English; to become much more aware of the influences on modern English lexis; the 'snob' value of using 'rapidly' inst

Re: Evolution of Exactly the Same  •  November 17, 2014, 1:16pm  •  0 vote

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-11-08/features/0611070296_1_dialect-negative-double

Re: Why so many different spellings for some Arabic terms?  •  October 19, 2014, 6:30pm  •  0 vote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_alphabet#Vowel_omission My understanding is that Arabic is usually written without vowels, rthr lk ths.

Re: What words were used to refer specifically to males before “man” did?  •  October 19, 2014, 6:25pm  •  1 vote

'Wer' still survives in 'world': world (n.) Old English woruld, worold "human existence, the affairs of life," also "a long period of time," also "the human race, mankind, humanity," a word p

Re: What’s happening to the Passive?  •  September 27, 2014, 7:03pm  •  0 vote

Bewildered by English mores (or hating the class system), in the early seventies I took a PanAm flight from Heathrow, never to return to Blighty - apart from a brief sojurn there in the early nineties

Re: What’s happening to the Passive?  •  September 27, 2014, 2:57pm  •  0 vote

if one Ngrams the following: [no - show]:eng_us_2012,[no - show]:eng_gb_2012 it becomes evident that "no-show" was originally a US phrase. It was one of the many phrases I had to get used to wh

Re: What’s happening to the Passive?  •  September 26, 2014, 7:36pm  •  0 vote

"WAIT HERE UNTIL RED LIGHT SHOWS." Was this in the USA? In my experience US usage of "show" differs slightly from UK. "He never showed" vs "He never showed up" "The chef was a no-show" vs "The c

Re: “The plants were withered” Adjective or passive?  •  September 24, 2014, 1:18pm  •  0 vote

When adding -able to a verb, the meaning seems to include a passive element: fixable -> able to be fixed; doable -> able to be done, and so forth. There are two exceptions : "variable" and "changeab

Re: Why ‘an’ in front of an ‘h’-word?  •  September 22, 2014, 7:29pm  •  0 vote

I guess it is 'Strine or Kiwi then. They do not seem to say 'an Hotel' here, though; so it's not generalized. And maybe it's just the newsreaders for emphasis in phrases such as 'an HHistoric win for

Re: Why ‘an’ in front of an ‘h’-word?  •  September 21, 2014, 11:27pm  •  0 vote

Newsreaders where I am at the moment consistently say "an Historic", aspirating the 'H" quite clearly.

Re: “Anglish”  •  September 12, 2014, 8:57pm  •  1 vote

@AnWulf Thank you for this: it is refreshing to climb out of the latinate ruts of today's English. That said, my understanding is that "pithy" stems from c 1520 not earlier? And I seem to recall e

Re: What’s happening to the Passive?  •  September 1, 2014, 4:40pm  •  0 vote

Hungarians who learn English "tend to avoid using the English passive voice" : believe me it does NOT make for plain and simple English. http://www.acta.sapientia.ro/acta-philo/C2-2/philo22-9.pdf

Re: What’s happening to the Passive?  •  September 1, 2014, 3:50pm  •  0 vote

One way of writing simple, plain English is to make the topic of the paragraph the subject of the sentence. Thus : Eggs. Eggs are eaten the world over. They are fried, boiled, scrambled, poached

Re: While vs Whilst vs Whereas  •  August 31, 2014, 8:03pm  •  0 vote

@WW well-done! It is of necessity long and detailed because the usage is Whilst Euro-languages are often similar to English, a common error for Chinese speakers is to insert "but" at the start of

Re: P & K  •  August 26, 2014, 2:20pm  •  1 vote

@red Unfortunately you are a thousand years too late my friend. In those days English was pronounced pretty much as spelt; however around the time when printing began, spellings fossilized but pronunc

Re: While vs Whilst vs Whereas  •  August 19, 2014, 3:31pm  •  0 vote

@WW Thanks, that's better. An "A" pass in CAE was/is equivalent to "C" in CPE (and FCE-A = CAE-C), but I haven't checked this recently. Indeed parts of CAE are very useful for IELTS too.

Re: While vs Whilst vs Whereas  •  August 18, 2014, 8:33pm  •  0 vote

So, as a rule of thumb, we can safely use "whereas/while" to begin a trailing contrast clause; and "while" at the beginning of a sentence instead of "although". But "whereas" at the start of a s

Re: While vs Whilst vs Whereas  •  August 17, 2014, 3:45pm  •  0 vote

Perhaps I should add: typical requirement to work as a nurse, doctor, pharmacist, radiographer, engineer, teacher , and other professionals is IELTS 7.5, mininum 7.0 in any one exam. Big accounting fi

Re: While vs Whilst vs Whereas  •  August 17, 2014, 3:26pm  •  0 vote

@WW Apologies, local jargon I guess. By "trailing contrast clauses" I meant sentences with while/whereas between two clauses: Roses are red, whereas violets are blue. EAP = English for Academi

Re: While vs Whilst vs Whereas  •  August 12, 2014, 3:19pm  •  0 vote

@WW Yes they do act more like coordinators in trailing contrast clauses cf Hewins unit 82 Of course this stuff is sine qua non for EAP/IELTS , esp as IELTS marking schema says "uses a variety of c

Re: While vs Whilst vs Whereas  •  August 12, 2014, 12:42am  •  0 vote

@WW Thanks. I think I've got the weft of it now.

Re: While vs Whilst vs Whereas  •  August 10, 2014, 7:41pm  •  0 vote

I must be thick or something but I'm having trouble getting example sentences where "whereas" corresponds to "although". As in: "Many people believe in the Loch Ness Monster, whereas it is proba

Re: While vs Whilst vs Whereas  •  August 9, 2014, 7:47pm  •  0 vote

@WW damn! I thought I had this all sussed. So you mean it's not my fault she put on weight? ;=)))

Re: While vs Whilst vs Whereas  •  August 9, 2014, 4:35pm  •  0 vote

@WW Whilst understanding your comments (and indeed I would have agreed wholeheartedly a few months ago), now I am not so sure. It is simply a matter of "best usage" rather than a near miss. The fol

Re: While vs Whilst vs Whereas  •  August 8, 2014, 8:13pm  •  0 vote

@HS Yes exactly: which has the sense of concession like 'although' as opposed to contrast? It is about when and how to use while/whilst/whereas and what they convey as nuance.

Re: What’s happening to the Passive?  •  August 3, 2014, 3:58pm  •  0 vote

Incidentally we are not simply limited to active or passive; in classical Greek there was a 'middle' voice too, meaning to do something 'for one's own behoof'; in Latin there are 'deponent' verbs - pa

Re: What’s happening to the Passive?  •  August 3, 2014, 3:43pm  •  0 vote

Nothing to stop a verb having more than one meaning, or the meaning changing slightly according to context, and varying between transitive/causative and intransitive: Children grow quickly. Flowe

Re: Are proverbs dying?  •  August 1, 2014, 11:26pm  •  0 vote

"It's /It was pouring" seems to outtick "raining cats and dogs".

Re: What’s happening to the Passive?  •  July 31, 2014, 2:50pm  •  0 vote

@SL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergative_verb http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_ergative_verbs "Transform" is there on the list of so-called ergative verbs. I must confess w

Re: What’s happening to the Passive?  •  July 30, 2014, 7:53pm  •  4 votes

@SL I think quite a number of style guides suggest that one should avoid the passive wherever possible. There are still a few verbs pairs in English (like rise/raise, fall/fell) where the causative

Re: subwait  •  July 21, 2014, 8:45pm  •  0 vote

@AnWulf The surgery in question used to be a couple of doctors in a rather homely converted detached house; now they have merged with others into a new clinic with a largish reception area and a fair

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 20, 2014, 10:18pm  •  0 vote

@WW "If I repeat the point about usage, it is because this is one of the few language forums where this is not considered important." Where is your evidence for this? ;=)) Sadly many normal,

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 20, 2014, 9:23pm  •  0 vote

sic transeunt populi anglici linguae gloriae

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 20, 2014, 9:11pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper Perhaps the root of the problem in English lies in the word roots: http://etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=this&searchmode=none http://etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_f

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 20, 2014, 8:30pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper Not sure I can help you here; in truth I am not very academic. However FWIW in German ( and up till William the Bastard et al came to stay English was germanic) one would say something like:

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 19, 2014, 3:49pm  •  1 vote

@Jasper I must confess that thick as I am, I am still not entirely lucid on what exactly you are trying to clarify and why this is so important to you. Is it just that you wish these sentences to fit

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 18, 2014, 7:33pm  •  1 vote

@Jasper To my mind, there is a difference in the usage of "am" in the following: A) Who am I to judge? B) Whom am I to judge? In A "am" is a true copula. In B "am" is a sort of modal auxil

Re: When did contacting someone become reaching out?  •  July 18, 2014, 3:15pm  •  4 votes

@HS Thank you for reaching out to us in your hour of need. As you now know, we operate an outreach program for those whom the modern vernacular has left feeling bewildered, betrayed and benighted.

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 18, 2014, 4:26am  •  1 vote

There is a list of copula verbs here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_copulae Right now I cannot see how to follow any of these with a complement and then an infinitive. It is pe

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 17, 2014, 2:38pm  •  2 votes

Victoria: I am to be queen then? Lord Melbourne: Yes, you are, ma'am. Victoria: And who is Prince Albert to be? Who is he to be? Lord Melbourne: He is in no way to be KIng, ma'am. Victoria: Well

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 17, 2014, 2:37am  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=It+is+me+who+*&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t2%3B%2CIt%20is%20me%20who%20*%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BIt%20is%20me%20who

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 17, 2014, 2:37am  •  1 vote

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=It+is+me+who+*&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t2%3B%2CIt%20is%20me%20who%20*%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BIt%20is%20me%20wh

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 16, 2014, 8:24pm  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=It+is+me+who+has%2Cit+is+me+who+have%2CIt+is+I+who+have%2CIt+is+I+who+has&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&di

Re: Who/whom, copular verbs, and the infinitive  •  July 16, 2014, 8:22pm  •  1 vote

@Jasper In my days we were taught that the complement is in the nominative case, and that "who" takes on the person of its antecedent; thus "It is I who am ....". Influenced by Latinate grammarians I

Re: subwait  •  July 12, 2014, 2:36pm  •  0 vote

@Anwulf the subwait area is often just a few chairs in the corridor outside the doctor's room, like a forward waiting area, which saves the doctor wasting time trudging back to reception to find the n

Re: subwait  •  July 12, 2014, 12:27am  •  0 vote

@Anwulf I must own up - when I first saw 'sub-wait' I thought 'No, you cannot meld latin prefixes with Germanic roots'. But perhaps the true ask here is what else can you come up with in its stead?

Re: Are proverbs dying?  •  July 6, 2014, 7:03pm  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=over+till+the+fat+lady%2CNothing+is+set+in+stone&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cover%20till%20the%20fat%20la

Re: Are proverbs dying?  •  July 2, 2014, 8:53pm  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=two+wrongs+do+not+make%2Cmightier+than+the+sword%2CWhen+in+Rome%2CThe+squeaky+wheel%2Cthe+tough+get+going%2CNo+man+is+an+island%2CFortune+favors+the+bold%2

Re: Are proverbs dying?  •  July 2, 2014, 8:53pm  •  0 vote

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=two+wrongs+do+not+make%2Cmightier+than+the+sword%2CWhen+in+Rome%2CThe+squeaky+wheel%2Cthe+tough+get+going%2CNo+man+is+an+island%2CFortune+favors+the+bold%

Re: Are proverbs dying?  •  July 2, 2014, 8:52pm  •  0 vote

Thank you. I had been looking at "the 50 most important proverbs" http://www.phrasemix.com/collections/the-50-most-important-english-proverbs and wondering how they came up with the list.

Re: Putative (-ly) vs. Supposed (-ly) vs. Ostensible (-y)  •  June 28, 2014, 7:42pm  •  0 vote

At common law there is a presumption that the husband is the father of a child born during the course of a marriage. (Maybe one in twenty-five aren't, so ask your mum!) That's why "putative" is the

Re: Putative (-ly) vs. Supposed (-ly) vs. Ostensible (-y)  •  June 26, 2014, 12:38am  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=supposed+origin%2C+supposed+power%2Cputative+*&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Csupposed%20origin%3B%2Cc0%3B.t

Re: subwait  •  June 25, 2014, 7:42pm  •  0 vote

@WW yes it hadn't quite dawned on me how ubiquitous 'sub' has become with words like "subway" and "sublet". It is indeed no longer just a Latin prefix, but an English one too, sometimes meaning 'under

Re: Use my brain or brains?  •  June 17, 2014, 9:42pm  •  0 vote

Male brains are of course about 10% larger than female brains. Notably, male brains contain about 6.5 times more gray matter than women. Female brains have more than 9.5 times as much white matter, T

Re: Use my brain or brains?  •  June 17, 2014, 12:35am  •  1 vote

I thought "brains" in the plural tends to mean something like "intellectual capability" whereas "brain" might suggest the physical literal organ. Check out the specifically plural connotations: htt

Re: Team names — singular or plural  •  June 13, 2014, 3:59pm  •  0 vote

@WW Would the same outcome apply for AmE eg Red Sox, San Francisco 49ers ,Miami Heat ??

Re: that vs. if and whether  •  June 12, 2014, 7:16pm  •  0 vote

Economy comes from Greek for houselhold management cf "oikos" meaning a house which survives as wick, wic, wich in placenames like Chiswick, Norwich, Highwic.

Re: When is “of course” impolite?  •  June 7, 2014, 4:02pm  •  0 vote

@WW Interesting that you say "cheeky" for (b). ESOL students sometimes use "of course" in this way with no intention of being cheeky. I guess in some way it is payback for the implicit-in-the-questi

Re: When is “of course” impolite?  •  June 7, 2014, 3:32pm  •  0 vote

From the following book moly.hu/konyvek/susan-doughty-geoff-thompson-problem-english-a-practical-guide-for-hungarian-learners-of-english "Of course: this is perfectly acceptable as a polite respon

Re: Meaningless Use of “key”  •  June 4, 2014, 9:26pm  •  0 vote

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=that+is+key+.%2Cthat+was+key+.&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1800&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t4%3B%2Cthat%20is%20key%20.%3B%2Cc

Re: Use of multiple periods  •  June 4, 2014, 7:50pm  •  0 vote

@WW Of course.

Re: Modal Remoteness & Tense  •  June 4, 2014, 6:19am  •  0 vote

Jasper Of course you may do as you wish; it is indeed difficult to talk of "standard" English when discussing "thou" and "thee", and modern usage in dialects is pretty non-conformist. I tend to see

Re: Use of multiple periods  •  June 3, 2014, 11:54pm  •  0 vote

Tone Some people may use them to express annoyance or irony; others might use them because "no problem" by itself feels too abrupt. Only real way to find out is to ask them... (I put them h

Re: Modal Remoteness & Tense  •  June 3, 2014, 11:41pm  •  0 vote

Jasper The 's' ending on the third person overtook '-th' in the late middle ages; either is possible , but '-th' is definitely archaic, and not in modern use. My take on it would be that usin