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Why are latin expressions written differently in English and in French? Example: “ne plus ultra” in English is “nec plus ultra” in French.
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February 3, 2006, 9:46am
Only sort of on topic, but--I do know that there are several very different types of *pronunciation* of Latin used in different (modern) countries. The traditional German pronunciation of "ciel" (heaven), for example, starts with a "ts" sound, not the "ch" sound usually used by English or Italian speakers.
This is, I think, due to the fact that despite being a language nobody has spoken as their *first* language for many, many centuries, Latin continued to be the language of academic and (Christian) religious doings throughout all of Europe for hundreds of years, and continues to be an important religious language throughout much of it (and many other parts of the world) today. Whenever you have people speaking a language, even if they aren't using it at home, you have some linguistic change.
February 4, 2006, 10:01pm
In latin nec and ne both mean not. It's not an english vs. french difference. it could be written both ways in latin and the meanings would be identical.
And yes, there are different kinds of latin for example classical, ecclesiastical, medieval.
Future Mrs. Weller
February 5, 2006, 5:33pm
In Spanish, it's "Non plus ultra", which is in fact the motto of Spain...
March 23, 2006, 11:49am
To respond to Avrom:German doesn't come from Latin and is not a Romance language. Having said this, their pronounciation of Latin is probably butchered. The "ts" sound you're referring to is common in German. To gain a more proper pronounciation, one can look into Italian, Spanish, Portugese, French... and other Latin based languages.
Lenga, Diego:It has the same meaning. non=ne=nec.It is similar to the way that English has so many adjectives that mean the same thing. Huge, large, mammoth, enormous, gigantic.
or in this case, it would be different usages of a negative. not, neither, nor, no, never, nobody, etc etc
Hope this helps.
August 20, 2006, 9:22am
There is Classical Latin, and Vulgar Latin. Classical stopped being spoken, and the Vulgar became Spanish, French, Italian, etc. And the call those "Romance" languages? LOL!
June 2, 2009, 1:26pm
ex.(supper = uppersay
December 4, 2011, 7:02pm
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