How many “ands” in a row
How can you put the word “and” 5 times in a row in the same sentence? I need to tell a story. The landlord of a pub called The Pig And Whistle asked a signwriter to make a new sign. When he saw it he thought that the words were too close together so he said to the signwriter “I want more space between Pig and And and And and Whistle”.
jj (unregistered)
September 26, 2005, 12:10pm
shouldnt it be "Pig and And and Whistle? Theres only one and.
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blake (unregistered)
September 26, 2005, 1:05pm
no, no, if the sign red pigandwhistle, there needs to be more space between the pig and and, as well as and and whistle...so he said "I want more space between Pig and And and And and Whistle." it makes perfect sense.
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interesting (unregistered)
September 26, 2005, 1:37pm
My email account needs 1 set of 2 passwords that i must enter in 2 separate password text boxes. But because the password entry are case sensitive, "And" and "And", "And" and "and", "and" and "And", and "and" and "and" are actually different sets of passwords.
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matt (unregistered)
September 26, 2005, 2:42pm
no. there needs to be space between the words "pig" and "and"... and also between "and" and "whistle". get it?
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Christina (unregistered)
September 26, 2005, 3:04pm
i live on a farm and i have a horse and a chicken and a goat and a pig and a farrett and a dog and a cat and 2 rats and i have a big house and there is 5 bedrooms and the stuff in my room is Bed and blankets and (ect...) the word and can go on forever as long as your explaning something!!
Peace everyone
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ge-off (unregistered)
September 26, 2005, 6:47pm
no jj because Pig and And is one space, he is describing that space between Pig and And, THEN describes the space between And and Whistle.
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Anonymous (unregistered)
September 26, 2005, 9:57pm
Pig And Whistle
space between, Pig and And
and
And and Whistle.
i see how it makes sense
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Turlok (unregistered)
September 26, 2005, 10:08pm
And your point is?
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Allgonzo (unregistered)
September 26, 2005, 10:46pm
"I want more space between Pig, And, and Whistle".
Easy enough?
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russ (unregistered)
September 26, 2005, 11:55pm
no they are saying, like many of people alrady have, that they're saying there needs to be more space between "Pig" and "And", and more space between "And" and "Whistle"
see if u understand it this way
the guy said there need to be more space between "Pig" and "And" and more space between "And" and "Whistle"
its quite simple. im in gr 10 n i figured it out:)
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mr david (unregistered)
September 27, 2005, 4:00am
haha that's really tickled me. well played martin.
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browil (unregistered)
September 27, 2005, 10:09am
I would opt for:
There should be more space between the words.
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gina (unregistered)
September 27, 2005, 9:27pm
this subject should have been eanded at Allgonzo
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gine (unregistered)
September 27, 2005, 9:28pm
ended* my bad
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Hidybob (unregistered)
September 28, 2005, 4:10am
Assuming that the five 'and's is something you want to retain...
I'd put a comma after the first group, personally.
"I want more space between Pig and And, and And and Whistle".
Otherwise, something along the lines of "I want more space between the words" would do.
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Scott (unregistered)
September 28, 2005, 1:00pm
Also, maybe by putting quotations around the "Pig", "And", and "Whistle" will help, though I'm not 100% sure if it's grammatically correct that way, but may help clarify the intent while retaining the clever usage of the word.
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intials (unregistered)
September 28, 2005, 5:46pm
Thanks, after looking at 'and' and 'And' so much the word now no longer looks real. Like it's a joke word. Either way its got nice meter.
And and And and And and And and...
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flashmaker13
September 28, 2005, 9:07pm
Everyone has said "and" too many times! The word has no meaning anymore! AGHHH! By the way, I believe the sentence is perfectly grammaticly correct, it's just confusing to one if the sign-maker is trying to convey his message clearly or make a terrible joke.
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Scott (unregistered)
September 29, 2005, 1:19pm
LOL 'and' is just three letters now, thanks to you guys
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Erin (unregistered)
September 30, 2005, 12:01am
Everyone is going into way too much thought on this. Adding a comma like the first comment said is perfectly fine. You have to give the readers a cue to take a breath and break up the sentence in their minds. Pig and And, and And Whistle. Also commenting on the statement by "Christina," you cannot have a list of more than two things using "and" between them all. That's why commas are used.
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Jillian (unregistered)
October 7, 2005, 6:30pm
WhAT THE HECK IS CHRISTINA TALKING ABOUT?
ARE YOU CRAZY? SHOULD WE BE WORRIED?
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porsche
October 26, 2005, 3:28pm
Oh, come on now, everyone. I don't think Martin is asking for any advice. I think he's just being provocative or trying to be clever. Personally, I think he succeeded. By the way, a small thing. The landlord should tell the signmaker about a second mistake. the "And" that appeared on the original sign should not have been capitalized.
It should have read: "The Pig and Whistle"
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lee_willcox
November 29, 2005, 7:27am
Bacon And Eggs
There is a space between the words;
Bacon and And and And and Eggs.
Daft init LOL, tickles me though.
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Anand
November 29, 2005, 7:33am
And ?
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Pat
December 2, 2005, 2:55am
Thank you, Martin! Unbeknownst to you, your sharing touched a special place.
Some 30+ yrs ago my dear father put the challenge to us over dinner as to how it was possible to use the word 'and' five times in sequence and be perfect English. His example read as Goose and and and and and Swan.
At the time I just didn't get it. I recall with much fondness the delight he derived from eventually divulging the answer, but for decades occasionally wondered how on earth the word 'and' could be used as described.
That I missed it was entirely due to the fact that I was too young to process the sublety of the humour, but the challenge itself stuck with me. Years later, thanks to your post, I finally got there! He who laughs last does so because he finally resorts to Google! GIYF!
sincerely, Pat.
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Aarow (unregistered)
December 7, 2005, 1:54am
A variation, if the sign reads "Roland and Andrew: "You haven't got the spaces right between "Rol" and "and" and "and" and "and" and "and" and "And" and "And" and "rew."
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Avrom (unregistered)
December 9, 2005, 12:19am
My wife suggested,
"The poor mental patient could do nothing but mutter '...and and and and and...' over and over again."
as an alternate solution to the puzzle.
I kind of liked it. Almost elegant in its dogged inelegance.
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Sophey (unregistered)
December 20, 2005, 2:26pm
I think it is simply somebody who tutterrrrss alot. simple pimple
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Glenn M (unregistered)
June 14, 2006, 4:56pm
Who the heck would name their pub "The Pig And Whistle " anyway? Shouldn't be "The Pig And the Whistle "?
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Joachim (unregistered)
June 28, 2006, 11:46pm
Are you sure you're not thinking of the word "that"? As in "The grammatician said that that that that that boy used was incorrect."?
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Joachim (unregistered)
June 28, 2006, 11:51pm
Doh! Didn't read the next topic about "thats" first. And I was so proud of myself.
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pizz23po
September 25, 2006, 4:58pm
thats amazing!
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Matty (unregistered)
January 1, 2007, 9:17pm
the pub should be called the fox and hound, much better name than pig and whistle
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Dave M (unregistered)
May 3, 2007, 1:39am
I got this second hand from my super whome had it put to him at an afternoon meeting by the manager. He and many others did not understand what the manager was trying to say and could not grasp the 5 "ands" and neither did I. Thanks Martin for explaining this to me and on presenting this to my 16 year old son who got it straight away. (It's how you tell it).
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Mike (unregistered)
May 3, 2007, 2:29pm
think you guys should all be given a big 'and for this. Well done!
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Stevie (unregistered)
May 8, 2008, 2:18am
Five is good but can be bettered. Think of a company called Brand and Anderson having a sign made up. Unfortunately, the sign writer completely screwed up his spacing as such:
He put spaces all wrong, he did them between Br and and and and and and and and and and and and and derson.
That's 13 in a row, making perfect sense.
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hans.gray
February 2, 2010, 11:13pm
Hi. I think you can have an infinite number of consecutive ands and still create a grammatically correct and meaningful sentence. Here is how it works. Assume that you are not pleased with the spaces put between the words "Pig and And and And and Whistle" in the sentence "I want more space between Pig aNd And anD And aNd Whistle" (Capitalization used to mark the different ands.)
You may say "I want more space between Pig and aNd, aNd and And, And and anD, anD and And, and aNd and Whistle" (I have used the "Oxford Comma" for clarity.)
Then if you are not happy with the spaces between the words "Pig and aNd, aNd and And, And and anD, anD and And, and aNd and Whistle" in that sentence you can write another sentance which has even more ands, and you can keep going on and on in this way.
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lost_in_this_place
May 4, 2010, 7:44pm
I would like more space HERE and HERE.
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dansbikeshop
May 30, 2010, 3:37pm
Here's how I changed it to add a little twist.
The store owner of a dollar shop asks the sign painter and his helper to paint "This And That" above his store. Later, he sees the painter has painted "ThisAndThat". "No, no!" he says. "There's a space between "This" and "And" and "And" and "That!".
The painter's helper looks up at the sign, points and asks "Is that that "That" that that guy was talking about?".
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porsche
May 31, 2010, 11:53am
Then the Painter turns to the helper and says, "no, not That that, THAT that!"
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cartopher
October 28, 2010, 4:23pm
@porsche you're doing it wrong.
The painter turns to the helper and says, "No, not that that, THAT that that that guy is pointing at.
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Zarahemna
March 28, 2011, 8:52am
I think the pub story is simply an everyday example. It serves merely to illustrate the idea. There are clearly much better ways to get the message across and in that sense the story is wanting.
AFAIK the most 'and's you can have in series is five. This is because it is only appropriate to use the word and when dealing with two items. Here we have two sets of items, each consisting of a pair of items one item in each of the sub pairs is also 'and'.
You can't continue to add subsets without creating a list, in which you should list the items instead of saying or writing 'and'. Hence the maximum of five given in the example story.
In structural terms: (Bell and And) and (And and Whistle)
I think the pub name is also a subtle play on the idiom.
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2Hellwithnostalgia
April 3, 2011, 9:10pm
How the hell does it work without making a person stutter
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Red
April 4, 2011, 8:36am
Doesn't this fall into the comma usage exception category?
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graham
September 7, 2011, 8:49am
"Pig and and and and and Whistle" is a well known puzzle (I remember the puzzle as a kid), so I could easily decide to write a book of puzzles called "'The Pig and And and And and Whistle' and Other Word Puzzles". Then, as hans.gray suggested, it is fine and grammatical to have a typesetter refer to the spaces between Pig and And, and And and And, and And and And, and And and And, and And and And, and And and Whistle...
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Cockney Kid.
January 27, 2012, 3:46pm
A sign writer completed a shop sign incorrectly, so the shopkeeper complained, saying, you've put too many ands in the sign. It should read; Jones and Son. You've put Jones and and Son, Also the gaps between, Jones and and and and and and and and and Son are all different sizes.
There you go, and, 9 times in one sentence. Anyone for ands knees and bumps a daisy?
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Shy Talk
October 1, 2012, 3:14pm
I had the same problem with my pub the Fondle and Finger, too many bloody 'ands
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