Warsaw Will

Joined: December 3, 2010

Number of comments posted: 1202

Number of votes received: 415

I'm a TEFL teacher working in Poland. I have a blog - Random Idea English - where I do some grammar stuff for advanced students and have the occasional rant against pedantry.

Questions Submitted

fewer / less

Natural as an adverb

tonne vs ton

Tell About

“reach out”

Recent Comments

Re: Pronunciation Etiquette—Hypothetical Question  •  March 29, 2014, 7:16pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I don't think HS's remarks were so much about the 'Indian' as the 'Antipodean' commentator, as the examples of he gives of the 'Indian' commentator are all in fact standard British English,

Re: Pronunciation Etiquette—Hypothetical Question  •  March 29, 2014, 4:22pm  •  0 vote

My favourite dictionary (Oxford Advanced Learner's) defines 'politically correct' as: 'used to describe language or behaviour that deliberately tries to avoid offending particular groups of people'

Re: Pronunciation Etiquette—Hypothetical Question  •  March 28, 2014, 4:58pm  •  0 vote

As regards names, I think you should try and get as close as possible to the native language. It's ironic, but only now he's an ex-president are the British media getting Sarkosy's name right (i.e not

Re: What does “Curb your dog” mean?  •  March 23, 2014, 4:50am  •  0 vote

@Brus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_%28road%29

Re: “I’m just saying”  •  March 22, 2014, 3:54pm  •  0 vote

@Skeeter Lewis - is that perhaps a polite expression for spam? :) I had thought of reporting it, but decided not to.

Re: Do’s and Don’t's  •  March 22, 2014, 2:26pm  •  0 vote

@Carl45 - Sorry to be the cause of your biggest pet peeve, but in this case those of us not bound by a style guide have a choice. As for using one rule in one word and not the other, it's partly to d

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 21, 2014, 8:25am  •  0 vote

@jayles and Jasper - many apologies - I got confused with all these formulae - I didn't take in that there were two of you at it.

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 20, 2014, 3:32pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - Sorry, but you've totally lost me. No, don't try and explain, I'm just no good at maths. But I do like language.

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 20, 2014, 5:34am  •  0 vote

@jayles - I don't use any of these, except for the original, but I'm afraid your stuff looks too much like mathematical formulae for me. As for question forms, I like good old-fashioned QASI or QA

Re: What does “Curb your dog” mean?  •  March 19, 2014, 2:30pm  •  0 vote

According to one source (link below) it all started in New York in the thirties, and that ‘Please Curb your Dog’ meant ‘Don’t let your dog do its business on the sidewalk. Let your dog do it in the ro

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 19, 2014, 1:50pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - sorry that should have been new info later. Can you confirm that in: SxMpp[OPT] - for "She had quickly walked her dog down the street the night before." x = Aux and pp = past participl

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 19, 2014, 3:55am  •  0 vote

@jayles - within the structure of SVO etc English also puts old info first and info later, which is why passive can be useful, as well as delaying constructions like 'there is/are'. We also like to p

Re: Proper use of st, nd, rd, and th — ordinal indicators  •  March 17, 2014, 7:40am  •  0 vote

This is quite interesting, especially the comments, from Ben Yagoda's blog - Not One Off Britishisms: http://britishisms.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/european-date-format/

Re: What does “Curb your dog” mean?  •  March 17, 2014, 6:08am  •  0 vote

@porsche - 'the modern world' - does that mean the modern world is restricted to North America? As far as I know, this expression is used nowhere else (for a starter we say 'kerb' in the UK, and so pr

Re: On Tomorrow  •  March 14, 2014, 6:50pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - the problem with that is that Monday can be used in all sorts of ways as a noun, not just in expressions such as I'll see you (on) Monday - using your formula, the results for British books

Re: What does “Curb your dog” mean?  •  March 14, 2014, 6:21pm  •  0 vote

Just to forestall any misunderstandings - kerb (BrE) = curb (AmE), so both Hairy Scot and Dyske are right on that one.

Re: “How is everything tasting?”  •  March 14, 2014, 6:15pm  •  0 vote

The best practice is, of course, to encourage waiting or any other serving staff to use their own language rather than a formulaic question, whatever the question is. John Cleese used to be involved i

Re: “You have two choices”  •  March 14, 2014, 6:05pm  •  0 vote

@HS - math is simply American for maths: Funnily enough the earliest examples of maths I can find are from the first volume of the American Educational Journal, dated 1864, where teachers advertise

Re: “You have two choices”  •  March 12, 2014, 3:42am  •  0 vote

@HS - I referred to PP as his comments are now labelled Hairy Scot, so I naturally assumed you were one and the same person; I'm sorry for your loss. As for 'yeah right' I think you're being a little

Re: “You have two choices”  •  March 11, 2014, 7:37pm  •  0 vote

@Hairy Scot - "just another damned Americanism sent to plague us" - yeah, right! "to seeke some other place of stay and refuge, the better of which two choices, did carry with it the appearance of

Re: What is the word for intentionally incorrect spelling?  •  March 11, 2014, 6:35pm  •  0 vote

@Peter Reynolds - Thanks.

Re: What does “Curb your dog” mean?  •  March 11, 2014, 6:33pm  •  0 vote

Just to add to what Hairy Scot and Brus have said, I would have said just the same as with curb anything else: curb your temper curb inflation curb the spread of the disease But as 'Curb your

Re: “admits to”  •  March 11, 2014, 6:23pm  •  0 vote

a British perspective: at the BBC (and other media seem to have similar results) admitted the charge - 140, to the charge - 3 admitted the charges - 120, to the charges - 3 admitted the offence

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 11, 2014, 5:46pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - do I not remember you advocating keeping technical stuff to a minimum? I had no idea what your SV[OPT] meant until I saw your explanation, and realised I had told a student the same this mor

Re: Pronouncing “str” like “shtr” as in “shtrong” “shtrange”  •  March 10, 2014, 7:27pm  •  1 vote

@Mrs Davenport - I agree with you that a lot of comments of the 'it really annoys me' variety do tend to be pointed at what seem to be aimed at expressions which come from one or other Afro-American d

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 10, 2014, 6:45pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I think I'll just stick with subject-verb inversion - to complete your quote from Marit Westergaard at Tromsø: "Within traditional grammar, this is often called subject-verb inversion (e.

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 9, 2014, 1:13pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - I've just noticed a difference between you two example sentences: I do not love her nor hate her. I have never hurt nor killed another person. The second one works for me as it has a

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  March 9, 2014, 12:40pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper, I wouldn't call that fronting but simple inversion, which is compulsory after 'nor', whereas fronting is always optional: She doesn't smoke, and nor do I. Look at your own examples, fo

Re: “You have two choices”  •  March 8, 2014, 3:07am  •  0 vote

@porsche - OK, I accept that we can use it idiomatically to mean no choice; here's one from the British National Corpus similar to yours - "Well he's got two choices, he can either eat them or starve

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  March 6, 2014, 5:55am  •  0 vote

@Jasper - she's not against teaching grammar, but would prefer it through writing, not teaching a lot of (sometimes silly) rules before getting the students to write anything. And I think the author w

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  March 5, 2014, 2:37pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - I quite agree with you about terminology, and in class I use the least possible, except where it can make life easier. It's a bit different on my blog, but people come to that from choice. T

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  March 5, 2014, 3:16am  •  0 vote

@jayles - I'll have you know that the 'purist' English spoken in Britain is said to be that of Inverness, so I'm not sure why you pick out the Scots for special attention; try understanding a Geordie

Re: and so...  •  March 5, 2014, 3:08am  •  1 vote

@TheYellowRobot - I've realised that we can also have a result clause with just an auxiliary and no main verb, but in this case we couldn't invert the subject and auxiliary: 'John signed up for dan

Re: and so...  •  March 4, 2014, 5:05pm  •  0 vote

@TheYellowRobot - some people make silly typos, and so do I, apparently. Sorry for getting your name wrong, and Rider Haggard's, for that matter.

Re: and so...  •  March 4, 2014, 4:41pm  •  0 vote

@TheYellowRabbit - 'John loves to dance and so does Marie' sounds a lot better to me than 'John loves to dance, and Marie loves to dance.' which has unnecessary repetition and sounds unnatural (who wo

Re: apostrophe with expressions of distance or time  •  March 3, 2014, 5:15pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - Yes, I checked out Google Books for this occurring in 18th and 19th century books, and few books carried possessive apostrophes of any kind before the 19th century. The great irony, of cours

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  March 1, 2014, 1:41am  •  0 vote

@sundy - we'll have to agree to differ. On a particular occasion like this where there is a real possibility of winning, we'd normally use what in EFL and ESL teaching we call First conditional, with

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  February 28, 2014, 7:17pm  •  0 vote

@sundy - " Ideally, it would be perfect if we could create a subjunctive form of verb for every verb in English" - that would be to reverse history and go against what you were saying earlier. In fact

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  February 28, 2014, 6:59pm  •  0 vote

@sundy - 'If I won the lottery, I'd buy a new house' with present meaning describes a hypothetical condition. But you're talking about a specific occasion, so If I hadn't had a chance to check my tick

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  February 28, 2014, 6:35pm  •  0 vote

@sundy - I think you're confusing linguists and grammarians - grammar books written by linguists, for example the Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language (CGEL), by Quirk and Greenbaum, and the

Re: Pronouncing “str” like “shtr” as in “shtrong” “shtrange”  •  February 28, 2014, 2:52pm  •  1 vote

@Jasper - It's OK, I wasn't suggesting you were responsible for his views. The 'shtr' thing is way outside my experience (I don't think I've heard it on British radio, apart from Sir Sean), although y

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  February 28, 2014, 2:36pm  •  0 vote

@sundy - OK, I follow your example now, but I think you're stretching it a bit far. In fact what I'd say in that context is something like: "If he really did act like that, I'd throw him out if he ca

Re: Social vs Societal  •  February 28, 2014, 2:13pm  •  1 vote

@Rashad - I'm going to play devil's advocate here. My dictionary defines societal as a technical term, and as I imagine that getting on for 99% of people aren't professional or academic social scienti

Re: Pronouncing “str” like “shtr” as in “shtrong” “shtrange”  •  February 27, 2014, 3:52pm  •  1 vote

@Jasper - A bit off topic, but I couldn't help noticing that the commenter at your first link refers to 'the effete pronunciation of "literally" as "litrally".' -which makes me effete, apparently. At

Re: take it on/off and put it on/off  •  February 27, 2014, 3:39pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - it's my theory that both Polish and German have phrasal verbs, and that German is a half-way house between Polish and English. Polish has sixteen prefixes based on prepositions which are

Re: Semicolon between sentences joined by a coordinating conjunction  •  February 27, 2014, 3:22pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - On Ngram, for 'for_CONJ' I'm getting 'no valid Ngrams to plot', although it's working for 'for_ADP' OK. From what I can see poking round in dictionaries, it tends to be found more in lite

Re: “If I was” vs. “If I were”  •  February 27, 2014, 3:02pm  •  0 vote

@sundy - of course you're right, which is why, in EFL, we refer to this as the Unreal past. We only have to compare it with any other verb - 'If he acted like that at my party, I'd throw him out' - th

Re: “This is she” vs. “This is her”  •  February 27, 2014, 2:53pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - I don't think it's likely to spill over into Poland unless things get very nasty. The Polish people were very strong supporters of the Orange revolution, however, and have a strong affinity

Re: Pronouncing “str” like “shtr” as in “shtrong” “shtrange”  •  February 26, 2014, 2:37pm  •  6 votes

Perhaps they're Sean Connery fans.

Re: A New Correlative Conjunction?  •  February 26, 2014, 2:34pm  •  1 vote

I don't think there's anything new here. This is Oxford Online: used before the second or further of two or more alternatives (the first being introduced by a negative such as ‘neither’ or ‘not’) -

Re: take it on/off and put it on/off  •  February 26, 2014, 2:20pm  •  0 vote

Ah! Phrasal verbs! The foreign learner's delight. But you're talking about two types here - literal and metaphorical. The idea of putting on and taking off clothes is pretty literal - you put them on

Re: Semicolon between sentences joined by a coordinating conjunction  •  February 26, 2014, 7:31am  •  0 vote

@jayles: I don't think deprecated, necessarily, just seen as a bit old-fashioned. Oxford Online calls it 'literary' and OALD and Cambridge (learners' dictionaries) call it old-fashioned or litera

Re: Pronunciation of “often”  •  February 26, 2014, 7:21am  •  0 vote

@Peter Reynolds - unless they're going to publish different versions they have to adopt a standard of some sort, but I imagine nowadays it's a fairly soft version of RP. And not all differences follow

Re: Pronunciation of “often”  •  February 25, 2014, 4:45pm  •  0 vote

@Peter Reynolds - I would suggest that no accents or dialects are any more slovenly than any other (it's a typical mistake to call users of certain dialects lazy because they use non-standard verb for

Re: What is the word for intentionally incorrect spelling?  •  February 25, 2014, 4:19pm  •  0 vote

@Peter Reynolds - interesting - Google Books won't let me see that page - they say 'You have either reached a page that is unavailable or reached your viewing limit for this book'. I use Google Books

Re: “This is she” vs. “This is her”  •  February 25, 2014, 4:12pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - I'll certainly echo Brus's last paragraph and Peter's last comment. We all have our sillier moments (especially me when I get goaded into defending the indefensible), and your comments are u

Re: “This is she” vs. “This is her”  •  February 24, 2014, 11:29am  •  0 vote

@Jasper - I really think you're making an interpretation I just don't see. Peter's 'offending' sentence was: 'The first time I heard "this is she" I thought the customer was being ironic because sh

Re: “This is she” vs. “This is her”  •  February 23, 2014, 3:32pm  •  1 vote

@Jasper - Well, I for one found Peter Reynold's 'anecdote', which was just a simple observation, quite interesting, especially as it was more or less repeating something I'd said - that this expressio

Re: troops vs soldiers  •  February 22, 2014, 11:48am  •  0 vote

Ah, the seventies and eighties! That's when the rot set in. I think they've probably been saying that every century since Dr Lowth started laying down the law. Whether I'm one of 'the educated', or si

Re: all _____ sudden  •  February 22, 2014, 11:21am  •  0 vote

Sudden started to be used as a noun in the sixteenth century. At the time various expressions were used, with both 'a' and 'the', but without 'all' (there are none with 'all' in Shakespeare, for examp

Re: troops vs soldiers  •  February 22, 2014, 5:13am  •  0 vote

On the subject of troops: its use as a synonym for soldiers or armed forces in general, and not simply meaning a cavalry unit of a particular size, is the first meaning given at Oxford Online, and goe

Re: troops vs soldiers  •  February 22, 2014, 4:54am  •  0 vote

@Skeeter Lewis - 'the social sciences have a lot to answer for linguistically' - Oh, dear! Mind you they've brought the word cohort out of the military scholarship closet: judging by Ngram, the use of

Re: troops vs soldiers  •  February 21, 2014, 5:46pm  •  0 vote

@Skeeter Lewis - "some descriptivist dictionaries" - Could you perhaps name a dictionary that isn't descriptivist.The OED, for example, never set out to be anything else. Even the American Heritage Di

Re: What is the word for intentionally incorrect spelling?  •  February 21, 2014, 9:17am  •  0 vote

@dlockner - I'm afraid wrong on both counts. A malapropism is neither intentional nor to do with spelling, but rather the unintentional use of a similar-sounding word instead of the one you meant, 'of

Re: troops vs soldiers  •  February 21, 2014, 9:11am  •  0 vote

re: cohort. This is from Oxford Dictionaries Online: They give three meanings: the first is the one given by Skeeter Lewis. cohort - 2.[treated as singular or plural] a group of people with a sh

Re: all _____ sudden  •  February 19, 2014, 8:54am  •  0 vote

@jayles- they probably got it from the OED (1558) - I've got 'upon the sudden' from 1585. I think you're much better looking at Google Books than Google as you can narrow down the dates and miss out a

Re: all _____ sudden  •  February 18, 2014, 4:31pm  •  0 vote

Shakespeare - sudden used as a noun: on the sudden, upon the sudden - 8 instances on a sudden, upon a sudden - 4 instances of a sudden - 2 instances none with all It looks as though the 'the' v

Re: all _____ sudden  •  February 18, 2014, 2:19pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - and from your other link (phrasefinder) - " 'All of a sudden' sounds like the kind of poetic version of 'suddenly' that would do justice to Shakespeare. In fact, that's what Shakespeare thou

Re: all _____ sudden  •  February 18, 2014, 2:09pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - had a far healthier life, no doubt. From your Grammarphobia link -' “All of a sudden” first appeared in 1681' - now there's a challenge for us Googlers: "therefore all of a sudden they ca

Re: cannot vs. can not  •  February 17, 2014, 5:30pm  •  0 vote

@Emera - cannot, can not, can't are all use for both "not allowed to" and "not able to" You cannot / can not / can't smoke in here She cannot / can not / can't come tomorrow Oxford Advanced Lea

Re: all _____ sudden  •  February 17, 2014, 5:25am  •  0 vote

@jayles - I should have put a smiley after 'nice try'. I didn't mean it in a negative way.

Re: Does “Who knows” need a question mark?  •  February 15, 2014, 5:13am  •  0 vote

@Matt K - rhetorical questions are still questions: What have the Romans ever done for us? - Life of Brian Is the Pope a Catholic? Smoking can lead to lung cancer. Who knew?! All taken from Wi

Re: Two Weeks Notice  •  February 15, 2014, 4:59am  •  0 vote

@jayles - if you look for these expressions in Google Books, none that I could find have apostrophes before the nineteenth century. The apostrophe was the last punctuation mark to be adopted into Engl

Re: all _____ sudden  •  February 15, 2014, 4:27am  •  0 vote

Correction - Burnet's book was published in 1724

Re: all _____ sudden  •  February 15, 2014, 4:25am  •  0 vote

@jayles: nice try London Magazine 1738 - unfortunately Google Books has combined phrases from two adjacent columns - L "are liable to so many Changes and to such sudden and unlooked for Alterat

Re: Two Weeks Notice  •  February 14, 2014, 6:41pm  •  0 vote

@jayles - even the people at Warner Bros who decided on the movie title?

Re: Two Weeks Notice  •  February 14, 2014, 3:56pm  •  0 vote

And Happy Valentine's Day to you too Paula. But to the business in hand, if it was one week, we'd need an apostrophe to be grammatical - 'one week's notice', 'in a minute's time', 'a mile's walk f

Re: “You have two choices”  •  February 14, 2014, 2:35am  •  0 vote

@Moonwaves - Of course "to have Hobson's choice" does have the meaning of no choice.

Re: “You have two choices”  •  February 14, 2014, 2:26am  •  0 vote

@Moonwaves - I suggest that you have a look at the quotes from various books above. I can't see any idea there that there is any implication of having no choice. Let's take the joke about hope as r

Re: who vs. whom  •  February 13, 2014, 12:51pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - the survey just counted the number of instances, not correct usage. But I think most people who do use whom use it correctly. There's so-called hypercorrection of course - 'Whom shall I say

Re: who vs. whom  •  February 12, 2014, 9:13am  •  0 vote

All of us whom-disdainers have apparently been getting it wrong all along. According to a survey at Wired Magazine, men using 'whom' in their profiles on certain dating sites get 31% more responses fr

Re: Horizontal Stripes?  •  February 12, 2014, 6:07am  •  0 vote

I think this was only ever a convention in certain areas, such as football and possibly rugby kit and jockeys' outfits (especially hoops). The stripes in striped ties are usually diagonal, occasionall

Re: Computer mouses or computer mice?  •  February 11, 2014, 8:21am  •  1 vote

@jayles - as long as it means 'full of' - here's a list of 332: http://www.morewords.com/ends-with/ful/

Re: Computer mouses or computer mice?  •  February 10, 2014, 3:35pm  •  1 vote

@Brus -Yes, I think it is indeed. What's more, you have introduced me to a word that is new to me. A word that definitely exists, but is hard to get much information about (only one British dictionary

Re: One of the most...  •  February 9, 2014, 12:39pm  •  0 vote

Incidentally, there's been one structure that has been bothering at least one linguistics blogger lately: "It was one of his better films, if not one of his best" ''if not"here can mean "maybe e

Re: tonne vs ton  •  February 9, 2014, 5:05am  •  0 vote

@Chris B - My impression is that official (green) government footpath signs have been shown in km at least since the seventies. But a quick look at Google Images suggests it's rather a mixed bag. A

Re: “This is she” vs. “This is her”  •  February 9, 2014, 4:51am  •  1 vote

P.S. - EFL teaching also recognises that English has different registers. What is appropriate in 'normal spoken English' is not always appropriate in very formal English. Unfortunately some people

Re: “This is she” vs. “This is her”  •  February 9, 2014, 4:36am  •  2 votes

@Nana - OK, I'd like to respond to this by commenting on Chris Haller's comment form way back on this thread. Chris sees two schools of thought on grammar - those who put the rules first, and those wh

Re: “This is she” vs. “This is her”  •  February 8, 2014, 6:45pm  •  1 vote

@TEAS grammar tutor - so I'm all the happier that I teach EFL and that exams like IELTS, FCE, CAE, CPE and TOEIC reflect normal spoken English, and certainly wouldn't penalise you for saying, for exam

Re: “by the time”  •  February 8, 2014, 1:44pm  •  1 vote

It's perhaps also worth noting what happens when we use 'by the time' with future reference, where (like with other time expressions), 'by the time' is usually followed by present simple or present pe

Re: One of the most...  •  February 8, 2014, 1:28pm  •  0 vote

It's not that hard: A film director makes ten films. His first four films were duds or simply average. Of the later six, three were exceptionally good. Any of those last three could be called "one of

Re: Shall have done?  •  February 8, 2014, 3:32am  •  0 vote

@jayles - OALD marks shall as (especially British English). I still occasionally use it as an alternative to will in the first person, which I don't think is done much in North America. But I agree it

Re: On Tomorrow  •  February 7, 2014, 12:17pm  •  0 vote

@momofthree1999 - Maybe not in your part of the South, but comments on the web and here would certainly suggest it's centred on Georgia and Louisiana. Book evidence would add Maryland and South Caroli

Re: “The plants were withered” Adjective or passive?  •  February 7, 2014, 6:35am  •  0 vote

'Cooked' was perhaps a bad example - 'a cooked omelette' and 'badly cooked omelette' would have been better.

Re: “The plants were withered” Adjective or passive?  •  February 7, 2014, 6:31am  •  0 vote

@jayles - Not so strange really, because 'a made mistake' adds nothing to 'mistake' - make is what you do with mistakes. On the other hand 'an easily-made mistake' adds information. Compare 'a told

Re: Littler  •  February 7, 2014, 6:15am  •  0 vote

I'm not sure why it should be thought ungrammatical, just unusual. Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary simply says: "The forms littler and littlest are rare. It is more common to use smaller and smal

Re: Shall have done?  •  February 7, 2014, 4:58am  •  0 vote

@jayles - I think there are two separate things here: 1. standard contractions, which are used both in speaking and writing - where I would suggest 'll is never a contraction for shall - "We'll jus

Re: Pled versus pleaded  •  February 6, 2014, 6:39pm  •  0 vote

@Jasper - I started off by intending to give thou, thee etc as an example, when I realised that was a disappearance rather than a change in a word form, which is why I chose ye, the old subject form o

Re: Pled versus pleaded  •  February 6, 2014, 2:34pm  •  0 vote

@Mraff - at the moment, snuck is considered 'informal' and 'chiefly North American' (Oxford), but it looks as though its use is increasing. It's even 'snuck' into British English. If enough people use

Re: tonne vs ton  •  February 6, 2014, 2:19pm  •  0 vote

@Chris B - I imagine the Netherlands has been metric for about two hundred years, but in the street markets some things are still shown in pounds (weight) (at least I think it's in the Netherlands) -

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