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“independence from” or “independence to”?

I have a feeling I’ll look at this again in a while and find the answer screamingly obvious. Do these parallel the form of “independent” exactly? As “independence of” seems really wrong, though “independent of” seems ok. I’m confused.

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"Independence from."

erin.sub May 27, 2009, 7:29am

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+1

brian.wren.ctr May 27, 2009, 2:14pm

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"independence of": John declares the independence of John Republic.

"independence from": The union, though weak and poor, managed to remain their independence from other big, influential interest groups.

Can you sense the difference there?

monkey May 27, 2009, 3:45pm

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Regarding: "The union, though weak and poor, managed to remain their independence from other big, influential interest groups."

This isn't quite right. I would suggest that it should be either "...maintained their independence from..." or "...remained independent from..."

porsche May 27, 2009, 6:28pm

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Oops, wrong tense. That's ...maintain...remain..., no "-ed" at the end.

porsche May 27, 2009, 6:31pm

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1) <em>Argentina gained independence <strong>from</strong> Spain in 1816.</em> (New Oxford American Dictionary, 2nd Edition. © 2005 by Oxford University Press, Inc.)

2) <em>independence <strong>of</strong> irrelevant alternatives; independence <strong>of</strong> random variables</em>

mykhailo June 6, 2009, 6:24pm

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independence FROM {named object}
independence OF {subject}, no named object that subject is independent from; general idea of independence meant.
Or as the irregular verb bashers would have it, "meaned." (joke)

stan July 24, 2009, 7:28pm

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also
The union, though weak and poor, managed to remain their

1- remain may be a typo for RETAIN?
2- THEIR is not allowable here since it is not the union and something else, e.g. the army. Therefore THEIR must be ITS to match the singular subject.

steve3 December 14, 2009, 8:44pm

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Yes     No