Submitted by rfw on April 20, 2008

Let’s you and me/I

Is it correct to say “Let’s you and I” or “Let’s you and me”?

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Personally, I think it's redundant. Without the contraction, the phrase would be, "Let us you and I/me." With "us," there really is no need for "you and I/me."

If one is bent on using the phrase, though, I would think that "you and me" would be correct. "Us" is an objective pronoun, as is "me."

I still would never use it, though.

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I think, us is simply an objective pronoun as is me. It should be "let's, you and me', not 'you and I'. An appositive should be of the same type. We can, for example say: "We, you and I, comment on this point."
In the same way, we say, She asks us, you and me.

In Eliot's lines, the use of "you and I" is just to rhyme with "sky", and this is possible in poetry.

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No poetic lisence here, just rules from me:

You and me = us

You and I = we

So,
"let us go, you and me".
Seems to be correct. Where.
"Shall we go, you and i",
be another way of saying it. But "Let us go, you and I" would apear to be incorrect onthe face of it...

see this pedandtic page for detials ;)

http://www.senns.demon.co.uk/Getting%20Personal...

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That's a great question. I would say "Let's you and me". I can't say which is correct, but I was taught that you should be able to remove the other person from the statement and it should still make sense.

In this case, it actually reads "Let us", so removing "us" and "you" it should read "Let me", not "Let I". I could be way off, but that makes sense to me.

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LET us go then, you and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherised upon a table....

- T.S. Eliot, Love Song of Alfred Prufrock.

"Let us you and I" is incorrect. "you and I" here is an appositive, so it should be "Let us, you and I." You and I serve to explain "us."

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Come on now, poetic examples are pretty much irrelevant to grammar, usage, etc. ee cummings used weird punctuation and capitalization to create various stream-of-consciousness moods. Does that mean that no one should ever use capital letters again?
I think it was Carl Sandberg who wrote a poem arranged on the paper to look like a brick wall. So, now geometry is part of grammar, too?
Lewis Caroll just plain made up, I dunno, a few dozen words in the poem, Jabberwocky. So, now it's standard English to completely make up your own words out of thin air?
William Shakespeare couldn't spell his name the same way twice, even in the same document. "Standard" spelling hardly existed back then.
Great poets and writers are revered because of the ideas, thoughts, and feelings they convey, and the way they convey them, not because they're good grammarians. Many great works, even by expert wordsmiths who delight on turning a phrase just so, are created by throwing the "rule book" out the window, usually, intentionally.
Holding up famous writers, especially poets, as bastions of good grammar just seems to me to be completely misguided.

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As I see it, "Let's you and I" is the more grammatically correct form, since the word in question is the subject of a sentence, and 'me' can never be a subject.

As far as throwing out the rulebook on grammar goes, my cousin made a statement the other day that was actually quite enlightening:

"You can break any rule you want, provided you can explain what the rule is and why you're breaking it."

That rather sums it up, I'd say. I've always preferred poetry to grammar anyway.

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I amend that.

I was correct in saying that 'me' can never be a subject. I was incorrect in assuming that the word in question was a subject.

The sentence begins with the imperative "Let", making "us" a direct object, and, by extension, "you and *me*".

I apologise for that show of carelessness. That was completely my fault for being to hasty.

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"'Let us you and I' is incorrect."

Yes indeed.

Grammatical pedantry is so much more important to the English language than something as inconsequential as the evocative lyricism of T.S. Eliot's epic poem.

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"Grammatical pedantry is so much more important..."

Um, isn't the question here which is grammatically correct? If so, then saying that something in a poem by T.S. Eliot is grammatically incorrect shouldn't really merit a stinging rebuke, should it? It's not as though "Six" came in with this during a discussion of poetry, for crying out loud. Or are you suggesting that if a poet makes a grammatical error, then the poetry overpowers grammar and it the error is no longer an error?

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HG: Grammatical rules can be discovered by examining how the language is used. They do not exist independently of how the language is used.

I don't know what the evidence is on "let's you and I", but looking at the relevant evidence is the first step is determining whether it is grammatical.

I'm not how relevant Eliot's poem is here, since he didn't write "Let us you and I", he wrote "Let us, you and I" which in fact conforms with Six's analysis.

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Porsche: "Holding up famous writers, especially poets, as bastions of good grammar just seems to me to be completely misguided."

Maybe not poets. But surely the works of good prose writers are the first place we should look for deciding how to write good prose.

I've never understood the notion that good writers are allowed break the rules. Does that mean the rest of us can only strive for mediocrity? It makes more sense to say that if good writers break a rule, something's rule with the rule, not the writers.

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Natalie, I see that you and Jenna posted at exactly the same time. I think she detailed the reasoning you were seeking. I would take issue with one thing, though. "Let's you and me..." isn't necessarily redundant. Let's uncompress it into "Let us, you and me, ...". It could be understood that "you and me" is adding specificity. "Let us..." by itself, might be ambiguous. It could be you, me, and everyone else. "You and me" is just the two of us. Also, "let you and me...", or just "let you..." is awkward and isn't really used. "let you..." is reflexive and should be "let yourself...". Without the "us", there isn't an elegant way to include just you and me.

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Of course "you and me" is redundant.

But that doesn't make it wrong.

Languages commonly employ redundancy as a means of emphasis.

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I noticed that too, us posting at the same time. Great points, thank you for clarifying some things for me. I had thought about that later, "you and me" adding specificity, and in that case it wouldn't seem redundant.

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I need answers not arguments...which is correct? "You and i know wat we're refering to" OR "You and me know wat we're refering to"! Answers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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