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“independence from” or “independence to”?

May 26th, 2009 by Richie

I have a feeling I’ll look at this again in a while and find the answer screamingly obvious. Do these parallel the form of “independent” exactly? As “independence of” seems really wrong, though “independent of” seems ok. I’m confused.

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8 Responses to ““independence from” or “independence to”?”

  1. Erin says:

    “Independence from.”

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  2. Brian W. says:

    +1

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  3. XB says:

    “independence of”: John declares the independence of John Republic.

    “independence from”: The union, though weak and poor, managed to remain their independence from other big, influential interest groups.

    Can you sense the difference there?

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  4. porsche says:

    Regarding: “The union, though weak and poor, managed to remain their independence from other big, influential interest groups.”

    This isn’t quite right. I would suggest that it should be either “…maintained their independence from…” or “…remained independent from…”

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  5. porsche says:

    Oops, wrong tense. That’s …maintain…remain…, no “-ed” at the end.

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  6. Mykhailo says:

    1) Argentina gained independence from Spain in 1816. (New Oxford American Dictionary, 2nd Edition. © 2005 by Oxford University Press, Inc.)

    2) independence of irrelevant alternatives; independence of random variables

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  7. Stan says:

    independence FROM {named object}
    independence OF {subject}, no named object that subject is independent from; general idea of independence meant.
    Or as the irregular verb bashers would have it, “meaned.” (joke)

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  8. steve says:

    also
    The union, though weak and poor, managed to remain their

    1- remain may be a typo for RETAIN?
    2- THEIR is not allowable here since it is not the union and something else, e.g. the army. Therefore THEIR must be ITS to match the singular subject.

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