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As it were

December 19th, 2007 by niskys

I've heard people say “as it were” quite often. It doesn't even sound wrong to me anymore. But shouldn't it really be “as it WAS” instead, for proper subject verb agreement?

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13 Responses to “As it were”

  1. Drew says:

    Isn't it the subjunctive? Isn't it saying proposing a condition contrary to fact?

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  2. semiotek says:

    Wonderful Drew – there are at least two of us who remember the subjunctive!

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  3. Mark says:

    If I were a bit quicker off the mark, I'd have posted the same comment…

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  4. semiotek says:

    Gosh – it'll be gerunds next!!

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  5. Legal Translator says:

    True. That is subjunctive. I not a native English speaker. I learn English such that I know grammar.. Subjective is one of the most difficult parts of English to many non-native students….

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  6. John says:

    This phrase is one of the cases where "were" is still required in the third person singular. In other counterfactual statements, we can use either "was" or "were", for instance
    I wish I were/was going with you.
    If I were/was stronger…

    "were" is also required when it is inverted:
    Were I stronger…
    *Was I stronger…

    And also when followed by another verb:
    If I were to go…
    ?If I was to go…

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  7. lastronin says:

    "As" is a rare lead-in of the subjunctive. We are more used to the "if".

    As though I were an authority on grammar, I post the above.
    As it were, I suppose I could be.

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  8. Elizabet says:

    This case is one of Subjunctive Mood. When you use the subjunctive, you are referring to something that factually is not the case – as in "wish."

    (My non-technical answer.)

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  9. JJM says:

    The subjunctive is indeed incorporated into this expression. However, I'd suggest you treat this as a particular idiom along the lines of "so to speak."

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  10. BeeTee-Ess says:

    Long live the subjunctive! ;)

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  11. David Calman says:

    Drew and semiotek, I know it too. I'm used to "if", "though", "though" without "as", "wish", and even "as" itself leading the subjunctive.

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  12. Jack Albright says:

    This one bothers me, too. I find the phrase "as it were" to almost always sound stilted, but then again, I am also bothered by "an historic".

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  13. Potpourri says:

    'an historic' is probably stilted if 'historic' is actually pronounced with [h]. And maybe even sometimes if it isn't.

    Some speakers have it naturally, though, with [h]-deletion conditioned by stress.

    If stress is on the first syllable, [h] is pronounced, and 'a' thus appears as the article:

    a history book

    If stress is not on the first syllable, [h] deletes, and 'an' is selected:

    an {h}istoric occasion
    an {h}istorical novel

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