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		<title>By: Offended</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=627&#038;cpage=3#comment-11564</link>
		<dc:creator>Offended</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a horrible and aggressive forum this is!  So unnecessary - I only came across this by googling forums vs fora and was confronted by this vile diatribe.  Sort yourselves out.  Go to &quot;inadequate_bully_forums/fora&quot; to continue this sort of nonsense.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-11564&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a horrible and aggressive forum this is!  So unnecessary &#8211; I only came across this by googling forums vs fora and was confronted by this vile diatribe.  Sort yourselves out.  Go to &#8220;inadequate_bully_forums/fora&#8221; to continue this sort of nonsense.
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		<title>By: Forums, forum, fora &#171; Sentence first</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forums, forum, fora &#171; Sentence first</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the correct plural of forum itself — is it forums or fora? — as have some language blogs and other sites. Latin plurals are evidently a popular topic. Some of the commentary is sensible [...]&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-11510&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about the correct plural of forum itself — is it forums or fora? — as have some language blogs and other sites. Latin plurals are evidently a popular topic. Some of the commentary is sensible [...]
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		<title>By: hot4teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>hot4teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your directness, Porsche, and I admit that I acted like a d-bag to say the least.

&quot;Surely you haven’t forgotton your very first post, have you?&quot;

Unfortunately, with the number of irrelevant responses I have made to (and I stand by the use of the term) trolls, I had forgotten my original posts. Thinking back, however, I agree with my original &#039;views&#039;, but I apologize if anyone was offended by their nature (tbph, I couldn&#039;t care less if you were offended. What difference should it make if I think you&#039;re an idiot?).

My arguably &#039;un/called-for&#039; backlashes came due to a habit of mine brought upon by being constantly, unnecessarily, and unreasonably scrutinized and ridiculed by people throughout my life.

Having said all of that, aside from my original frustration-influenced post, I feel that all of my posts were of a reasonable nature, until people (namely Name (supplied)) began to just take shots at me. If anyone has a problem with the way I&#039;ve acted, don&#039;t act like it was uncalled for.

I have no beef with anyone on this discussion board, aside from Name (supplied), and possibly the appropriately monikered Dave. I expect that you two would have no problems having someone you have a problem with, having a problem with you.

Let this be the end of the sarcastic maelstrom, and return to the original topic.

P.S. In regards to my name, I thank you Porsche for clarifying Dave&#039;s issue for me, but I would like to remind Dave that (as I mentioned) there is nothing wrong with lusting after a teacher. Physical attraction is as natural as methane gas. It is somewhat to blame for our existence.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-11502&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your directness, Porsche, and I admit that I acted like a d-bag to say the least.</p>
<p>&#8220;Surely you haven’t forgotton your very first post, have you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, with the number of irrelevant responses I have made to (and I stand by the use of the term) trolls, I had forgotten my original posts. Thinking back, however, I agree with my original &#8216;views&#8217;, but I apologize if anyone was offended by their nature (tbph, I couldn&#8217;t care less if you were offended. What difference should it make if I think you&#8217;re an idiot?).</p>
<p>My arguably &#8216;un/called-for&#8217; backlashes came due to a habit of mine brought upon by being constantly, unnecessarily, and unreasonably scrutinized and ridiculed by people throughout my life.</p>
<p>Having said all of that, aside from my original frustration-influenced post, I feel that all of my posts were of a reasonable nature, until people (namely Name (supplied)) began to just take shots at me. If anyone has a problem with the way I&#8217;ve acted, don&#8217;t act like it was uncalled for.</p>
<p>I have no beef with anyone on this discussion board, aside from Name (supplied), and possibly the appropriately monikered Dave. I expect that you two would have no problems having someone you have a problem with, having a problem with you.</p>
<p>Let this be the end of the sarcastic maelstrom, and return to the original topic.</p>
<p>P.S. In regards to my name, I thank you Porsche for clarifying Dave&#8217;s issue for me, but I would like to remind Dave that (as I mentioned) there is nothing wrong with lusting after a teacher. Physical attraction is as natural as methane gas. It is somewhat to blame for our existence.
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		<title>By: porsche</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=627&#038;cpage=3#comment-11501</link>
		<dc:creator>porsche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hot4teacher, after your last post, I thought I might be able to clarify a few things for you.  Let me address a few of your comments:

When you said:

&quot;At no point did I state that I was correct nor that anyone else was incorrect. I simply offered my opinion – which I am now somewhat reluctant to do, considering the amount of trolls who responded only to take shots at me.
I already modestly stated my level of education in English, which leaves me confused at attempting to understand why you think I’m being condescending or righteous – which is ironic.&quot;

Surely you haven&#039;t forgotton your very first post, have you?  Here:

&quot;For those whom [sic] are against the correct use of the English language, you are all idiots. Why would you use an incorrect spelling/form of a word if you know that it is incorrect and you know what the correct spelling/form is. It pisses me off when I hear someone say forums instead of fora (and to make my point even stronger, this word processor has found fora to be spelled incorrectly!). If you are going to speak English speak it properly.&quot;

So, the fact is, you did not just offer your opinion.  Furthermore, you absolutely did say that you were &quot;correct&quot; and that, no, not &quot;anyone&quot; but everyone other than you was incorrect.  What&#039;s more, you referred to the collective group of other posters on this forum as &quot;idiots&quot;.  Then you have the nerve to complain when others have pointed this out to you. Sorry, but if you feel that you are being characterized as condescending, it&#039;s because you have been.  You are the one who has made this personal.  Others are simply pointing it out to you, frankly, with a surprising amount of restraint.  Even now, during your failed attempt at backpedalling, you&#039;ve called your detractors &quot;trolls&quot;.  How about this?  If you&#039;re going to participate in an intellectual debate, learn to present your arguments clearly.  Recognize that they will come under scrutiny and accept criticism graciously.  If you think the opposition is wrong, reposte with facts and research, not personal attacks.  Just suck it up and stop being such a crybaby.  What&#039;s truly ironic is not how you think you have been treated, but that your original premise is actually incorrect.  From a descriptive point of view, fora is not in common usage.  From a prescriptive point of view, there is no prescriptive rule that fora, or latinized plurals in general, should be preferred.  In fact, exactly the opposite is the case as has been stated many times and backed up with authoritative sources.

Next, you have pointed out that your choice of  name, hot4teacher has nothing to do with your sexual interest in teachers, but, instead, is because of your appreciation of a Van Halen song.  Surely you realize that the Van Halen song is entirely about someone who has a sexual interest in his teacher?  If the name is inappropriate, it really doesn&#039;t matter whether it&#039;s your personal interest or Van Halen&#039;s.  The song is still glorifying teacher-lust.  Personally, I&#039;m not offended in the least by your choice of handle; I just wanted to point out the logic to you.

Last, please don&#039;t take anything I&#039;m saying as a personal attack.  I&#039;m just letting you know what I have observed with the hopes of offering you some insight into what you seem to be experiencing.  Perhaps if you tried a more collegial approach, you might have a more pleasant experience, here and elsewhere.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-11501&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hot4teacher, after your last post, I thought I might be able to clarify a few things for you.  Let me address a few of your comments:</p>
<p>When you said:</p>
<p>&#8220;At no point did I state that I was correct nor that anyone else was incorrect. I simply offered my opinion – which I am now somewhat reluctant to do, considering the amount of trolls who responded only to take shots at me.<br />
I already modestly stated my level of education in English, which leaves me confused at attempting to understand why you think I’m being condescending or righteous – which is ironic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Surely you haven&#8217;t forgotton your very first post, have you?  Here:</p>
<p>&#8220;For those whom [sic] are against the correct use of the English language, you are all idiots. Why would you use an incorrect spelling/form of a word if you know that it is incorrect and you know what the correct spelling/form is. It pisses me off when I hear someone say forums instead of fora (and to make my point even stronger, this word processor has found fora to be spelled incorrectly!). If you are going to speak English speak it properly.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, the fact is, you did not just offer your opinion.  Furthermore, you absolutely did say that you were &#8220;correct&#8221; and that, no, not &#8220;anyone&#8221; but everyone other than you was incorrect.  What&#8217;s more, you referred to the collective group of other posters on this forum as &#8220;idiots&#8221;.  Then you have the nerve to complain when others have pointed this out to you. Sorry, but if you feel that you are being characterized as condescending, it&#8217;s because you have been.  You are the one who has made this personal.  Others are simply pointing it out to you, frankly, with a surprising amount of restraint.  Even now, during your failed attempt at backpedalling, you&#8217;ve called your detractors &#8220;trolls&#8221;.  How about this?  If you&#8217;re going to participate in an intellectual debate, learn to present your arguments clearly.  Recognize that they will come under scrutiny and accept criticism graciously.  If you think the opposition is wrong, reposte with facts and research, not personal attacks.  Just suck it up and stop being such a crybaby.  What&#8217;s truly ironic is not how you think you have been treated, but that your original premise is actually incorrect.  From a descriptive point of view, fora is not in common usage.  From a prescriptive point of view, there is no prescriptive rule that fora, or latinized plurals in general, should be preferred.  In fact, exactly the opposite is the case as has been stated many times and backed up with authoritative sources.</p>
<p>Next, you have pointed out that your choice of  name, hot4teacher has nothing to do with your sexual interest in teachers, but, instead, is because of your appreciation of a Van Halen song.  Surely you realize that the Van Halen song is entirely about someone who has a sexual interest in his teacher?  If the name is inappropriate, it really doesn&#8217;t matter whether it&#8217;s your personal interest or Van Halen&#8217;s.  The song is still glorifying teacher-lust.  Personally, I&#8217;m not offended in the least by your choice of handle; I just wanted to point out the logic to you.</p>
<p>Last, please don&#8217;t take anything I&#8217;m saying as a personal attack.  I&#8217;m just letting you know what I have observed with the hopes of offering you some insight into what you seem to be experiencing.  Perhaps if you tried a more collegial approach, you might have a more pleasant experience, here and elsewhere.
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		<title>By: hot4teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>hot4teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before you have another go at me, Dave, I&#039;ll point out that my internet nickname &quot;hot4teacher&quot; was chosen due to my liking of the song &quot;Hot for teacher&quot; by Van Halen, not to imply that I have sexual interests in teachers.

At no point did I state that I was correct nor that anyone else was incorrect. I simply offered my opinion - which I am now somewhat reluctant to do, considering the amount of trolls who responded only to take shots at me. 

I already modestly stated my level of education in English, which leaves me confused at attempting to understand why you think I&#039;m being condescending or righteous - which is ironic.

&quot;Just be careful you are not just showing off some vain opinion of superiority you may be holding on to.&quot;

&quot;As for the quality of some of the postings here from the inappropriately monikered “Hot4Teacher”; It’s poor.&quot;

&quot;ForaOfCourseYouKnowTheLatinPluralDon’tYou?No?OhSorryToProveI’mOfASuperiorEducationalKLevelToYouThankYouI’llTakeYourSilenceAsASubmission.&quot;

For interest&#039;s sake, what was poor about my posts? Was it that you, William &quot;Dave&quot; Shakespeare, are the world&#039;s most educated English scholar and know for a fact that I am incorrect? Or were you so shaken up by the fact that my moniker is &quot;hot4teacher&quot;, which you erroneously deciphered as meaning that I found teachers attractive (with which there is nothing wrong - teachers are just people too).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before you have another go at me, Dave, I&#8217;ll point out that my internet nickname &#8220;hot4teacher&#8221; was chosen due to my liking of the song &#8220;Hot for teacher&#8221; by Van Halen, not to imply that I have sexual interests in teachers.</p>
<p>At no point did I state that I was correct nor that anyone else was incorrect. I simply offered my opinion &#8211; which I am now somewhat reluctant to do, considering the amount of trolls who responded only to take shots at me. </p>
<p>I already modestly stated my level of education in English, which leaves me confused at attempting to understand why you think I&#8217;m being condescending or righteous &#8211; which is ironic.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just be careful you are not just showing off some vain opinion of superiority you may be holding on to.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;As for the quality of some of the postings here from the inappropriately monikered “Hot4Teacher”; It’s poor.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;ForaOfCourseYouKnowTheLatinPluralDon’tYou?No?OhSorryToProveI’mOfASuperiorEducationalKLevelToYouThankYouI’llTakeYourSilenceAsASubmission.&#8221;</p>
<p>For interest&#8217;s sake, what was poor about my posts? Was it that you, William &#8220;Dave&#8221; Shakespeare, are the world&#8217;s most educated English scholar and know for a fact that I am incorrect? Or were you so shaken up by the fact that my moniker is &#8220;hot4teacher&#8221;, which you erroneously deciphered as meaning that I found teachers attractive (with which there is nothing wrong &#8211; teachers are just people too).</p>
<p>For someone who portrays himself as being a seemingly level and righteous person, you take a lot of offense to opinions that happen to differ from your own.
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Forums is better if you are writing in English.
English borrows words from many languages, but that doesn&#039;t mean we have to use the associated grammar too.
As for the quality of some of the postings here from the inappropriately monikered &quot;Hot4Teacher&quot;; It&#039;s poor.  
There is no set rule for plurals of Latin words borrowed for use in English.
Just be careful you are not just showing off some vain opinion of superiority you may be holding on to.
When You say &quot;Fora&quot; What you may be using is the compound word ForaOfCourseYouKnowTheLatinPluralDon&#039;tYou?No?OhSorryToProveI&#039;mOfASuperiorEducationalKLevelToYouThankYouI&#039;llTakeYourSilenceAsASubmission.
Forums will do, thank you.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-11471&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Forums is better if you are writing in English.<br />
English borrows words from many languages, but that doesn&#8217;t mean we have to use the associated grammar too.<br />
As for the quality of some of the postings here from the inappropriately monikered &#8220;Hot4Teacher&#8221;; It&#8217;s poor.<br />
There is no set rule for plurals of Latin words borrowed for use in English.<br />
Just be careful you are not just showing off some vain opinion of superiority you may be holding on to.<br />
When You say &#8220;Fora&#8221; What you may be using is the compound word ForaOfCourseYouKnowTheLatinPluralDon&#8217;tYou?No?OhSorryToProveI&#8217;mOfASuperiorEducationalKLevelToYouThankYouI&#8217;llTakeYourSilenceAsASubmission.<br />
Forums will do, thank you.
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		<title>By: Pellevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pellevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I landed on this page in the hope of finding out whether to write Fora or Forums, turns out both ways may be right. In addition I found some BS argument between a bunch of buggers with too much time on their hands.

Please use that energy to better the world instead.

Oh, and thanks Steve.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-11106&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I landed on this page in the hope of finding out whether to write Fora or Forums, turns out both ways may be right. In addition I found some BS argument between a bunch of buggers with too much time on their hands.</p>
<p>Please use that energy to better the world instead.</p>
<p>Oh, and thanks Steve.
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figured it would be FORA which is how I would say it. So I looked n my dictionary and it gives both ways. 

Meanwhile, imported words normally use the plural form from the original language such as (cactus and cacti). So I have to agree that a forum X 2 = two fora.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-11067&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figured it would be FORA which is how I would say it. So I looked n my dictionary and it gives both ways. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, imported words normally use the plural form from the original language such as (cactus and cacti). So I have to agree that a forum X 2 = two fora.
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		<title>By: geordie</title>
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		<dc:creator>geordie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stumbled upon this discussion after mentioning &#039;fora&#039; on a football fans website Forum. Bearing in mind that the British Isles have been conquered many times over the millenia(or should it be milleniums?) our language has evolved using various elements from each of the conquerors ; eg  &#039;a la carte&#039;. We often use the adage &#039; when in Rome do as the Romans would do&#039; . Therefore should the &#039;Roman&#039; plural of forum not be used ; ie fora?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-11054&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stumbled upon this discussion after mentioning &#8216;fora&#8217; on a football fans website Forum. Bearing in mind that the British Isles have been conquered many times over the millenia(or should it be milleniums?) our language has evolved using various elements from each of the conquerors ; eg  &#8216;a la carte&#8217;. We often use the adage &#8216; when in Rome do as the Romans would do&#8217; . Therefore should the &#8216;Roman&#8217; plural of forum not be used ; ie fora?
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		<title>By: goopodgigedly</title>
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		<dc:creator>goopodgigedly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

I&#039;ve looked a trailer for the &quot;2012&quot;. I was interested in this theme.
Please advise me a good site on this topic. 
And what do you think about the end of the world 2012. 

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<p>I&#8217;ve looked a trailer for the &#8220;2012&#8243;. I was interested in this theme.<br />
Please advise me a good site on this topic.<br />
And what do you think about the end of the world 2012. </p>
<p>Thanks.
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