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		<title>By: Whoopy-Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whoopy-Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was transplanted here in southern Iowa more than two decades ago from regions only slightly north of here (also within Iowa) where I spent another couple decades before that. I am still amazed at the differences that exist in language and culture barely an hour south of the land of my origin. I sometimes feel as though I&#039;ve been dropped into the Deep South. 

As a result of living in this rural area, I have picked up a number of (what seem to me like) southern expressions and usages. In my previous life, I don&#039;t remember ever hearing or using the verb &quot;to fetch&quot; (except in Jack and Jill); nowadays, however, I use it almost exclusively in place of &quot;to get and bring back&quot;. No one seems to think a thing of it -- probably because they all use it too.

To my mind there are absolutely no inherent negative connotations to using &quot;fetch&quot; in place of &quot;go get&quot;. Sure, it could be said in an offensive way, just as &quot;go get&quot; could. But if a person were to take offense at merely being innocently asked to &quot;fetch&quot; someone or something, we would all chuckle to ourselves and probably realize they come from a region where &quot;fetch&quot; is only used as a canine command.

It is something akin to &quot;lit&quot; and &quot;of an evening&quot; -- a pair of words/phrases that I had not experienced until I moved here. If someone slips on the ice here in Southern Iowa it is not uncommon to hear them say they &quot;lit on their backside.&quot; If I&#039;m trying to set an appointment with a person who works during the day, they might suggest I try paying them a visit &quot;of an evening.&quot; Both of these seem regional to me. So does the use of &quot;fetch&quot; in place of &quot;go get&quot;.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10979&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was transplanted here in southern Iowa more than two decades ago from regions only slightly north of here (also within Iowa) where I spent another couple decades before that. I am still amazed at the differences that exist in language and culture barely an hour south of the land of my origin. I sometimes feel as though I&#8217;ve been dropped into the Deep South. </p>
<p>As a result of living in this rural area, I have picked up a number of (what seem to me like) southern expressions and usages. In my previous life, I don&#8217;t remember ever hearing or using the verb &#8220;to fetch&#8221; (except in Jack and Jill); nowadays, however, I use it almost exclusively in place of &#8220;to get and bring back&#8221;. No one seems to think a thing of it &#8212; probably because they all use it too.</p>
<p>To my mind there are absolutely no inherent negative connotations to using &#8220;fetch&#8221; in place of &#8220;go get&#8221;. Sure, it could be said in an offensive way, just as &#8220;go get&#8221; could. But if a person were to take offense at merely being innocently asked to &#8220;fetch&#8221; someone or something, we would all chuckle to ourselves and probably realize they come from a region where &#8220;fetch&#8221; is only used as a canine command.</p>
<p>It is something akin to &#8220;lit&#8221; and &#8220;of an evening&#8221; &#8212; a pair of words/phrases that I had not experienced until I moved here. If someone slips on the ice here in Southern Iowa it is not uncommon to hear them say they &#8220;lit on their backside.&#8221; If I&#8217;m trying to set an appointment with a person who works during the day, they might suggest I try paying them a visit &#8220;of an evening.&#8221; Both of these seem regional to me. So does the use of &#8220;fetch&#8221; in place of &#8220;go get&#8221;.
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glynn, I suspect a plate of horse manure might actually be more poorly received if it were embellished with garnish and ketchup.
I agree with everything else, though.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10952&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glynn, I suspect a plate of horse manure might actually be more poorly received if it were embellished with garnish and ketchup.<br />
I agree with everything else, though.
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		<title>By: Glynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Porsche, I know what the definition of fetch is and I know that bosses give commands.  

Yes, saying &quot;please&quot; before &quot;fetch&quot; would make it better received... but so would putting garnish and ketchup on a plate of horse manure.

It&#039;s not what you say.  Its how you say it. 

I&#039;m sure there are plenty of settings where the word can be used with no harm.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10690&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porsche, I know what the definition of fetch is and I know that bosses give commands.  </p>
<p>Yes, saying &#8220;please&#8221; before &#8220;fetch&#8221; would make it better received&#8230; but so would putting garnish and ketchup on a plate of horse manure.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not what you say.  Its how you say it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of settings where the word can be used with no harm.
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		<title>By: scyllacat</title>
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		<dc:creator>scyllacat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly regional, given the division, but yes, in the South where I am, we &quot;fetch&quot; people all the time and think nothing of it.  There may be areas where it&#039;s seen as, or used in, a belittling way, but it&#039;s not inherent in the definition.

Apparently, a lot of people, including myself, forget that their individual experiences may not reflect the entire truth of the matter.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10689&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly regional, given the division, but yes, in the South where I am, we &#8220;fetch&#8221; people all the time and think nothing of it.  There may be areas where it&#8217;s seen as, or used in, a belittling way, but it&#8217;s not inherent in the definition.</p>
<p>Apparently, a lot of people, including myself, forget that their individual experiences may not reflect the entire truth of the matter.
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		<title>By: porsche</title>
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		<dc:creator>porsche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glynn, bosses give &quot;commands&quot; all the time.  Actually, non-bosses give commands all the time.  What exactly is it about &quot;fetch&quot; that would make it ill-received?  If your boss said &quot;Go fetch Bill and Jane so we can discuss the Forbin project&quot;,  that&#039;s no different than &quot;Go get Bill and Jane so we can discuss the Forbin project.&quot;  If he or she said &quot;please&quot; first, would that make it better received?  In the two examples, &quot;fetch&quot; and &quot;get&quot; are virtually interchangeable.

Jeremiah, if your friend finds &quot;fetch&quot; to be referring primarily to dogs, perhaps it&#039;s simply because the word is not in frequent use except as a dog command.  I don&#039;t hear &quot;fetch&quot; used often.  Personally, when I do hear it, it sounds a bit archaic to me (but not offensive or dog-like at all).&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10687&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glynn, bosses give &#8220;commands&#8221; all the time.  Actually, non-bosses give commands all the time.  What exactly is it about &#8220;fetch&#8221; that would make it ill-received?  If your boss said &#8220;Go fetch Bill and Jane so we can discuss the Forbin project&#8221;,  that&#8217;s no different than &#8220;Go get Bill and Jane so we can discuss the Forbin project.&#8221;  If he or she said &#8220;please&#8221; first, would that make it better received?  In the two examples, &#8220;fetch&#8221; and &#8220;get&#8221; are virtually interchangeable.</p>
<p>Jeremiah, if your friend finds &#8220;fetch&#8221; to be referring primarily to dogs, perhaps it&#8217;s simply because the word is not in frequent use except as a dog command.  I don&#8217;t hear &#8220;fetch&#8221; used often.  Personally, when I do hear it, it sounds a bit archaic to me (but not offensive or dog-like at all).
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		<title>By: Regina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 03:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gretchen, stop trying to make fetch happen.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10624&quot;&gt;1&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gretchen, stop trying to make fetch happen.
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		<title>By: Glynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jeremiah first.. the reason you brought it up, is because of your friend&#039;s statement that addressed a boss saying &quot;go fetch&quot; someone.   

the meaning does not change at all whether using go fetch for a dog or human.. in both cases it&#039;s a command.  
a change in meaning would be to say, something like.. &quot;that woman is fetching&quot; meaning she&#039;s foine. 

regardless if it&#039;s someone or something, it is still not a well received command in most settings&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10620&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jeremiah first.. the reason you brought it up, is because of your friend&#8217;s statement that addressed a boss saying &#8220;go fetch&#8221; someone.   </p>
<p>the meaning does not change at all whether using go fetch for a dog or human.. in both cases it&#8217;s a command.<br />
a change in meaning would be to say, something like.. &#8220;that woman is fetching&#8221; meaning she&#8217;s foine. </p>
<p>regardless if it&#8217;s someone or something, it is still not a well received command in most settings
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Glynn, i think it is about the definition.  The &quot;go fetch&quot; you issue to a dog is not the only meaning or usage of the word.  And to clarify, the original argument was with using the word fetch in reference to going to get &lt;em&gt;someone&lt;/em&gt;, not telling people to go get something.

@Douglas, some good points.  I did wonder about the alphabetical order.

I think the distinction here is whether or not it&#039;s used as a command (implying to a lesser being or someone inferior) [as Glynn put it: tell people to &quot;go fetch&quot;].  Of course if you order anyone to do something with a condescending tone, it&#039;s gonna sound negative or insulting regardless of the words being used.

&quot;Go make me some coffee!&quot;
vs
&quot;So I don&#039;t need to fetch Stephen from the airport tomorrow?&quot;&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10618&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Glynn, i think it is about the definition.  The &#8220;go fetch&#8221; you issue to a dog is not the only meaning or usage of the word.  And to clarify, the original argument was with using the word fetch in reference to going to get <em>someone</em>, not telling people to go get something.</p>
<p>@Douglas, some good points.  I did wonder about the alphabetical order.</p>
<p>I think the distinction here is whether or not it&#8217;s used as a command (implying to a lesser being or someone inferior) [as Glynn put it: tell people to "go fetch"].  Of course if you order anyone to do something with a condescending tone, it&#8217;s gonna sound negative or insulting regardless of the words being used.</p>
<p>&#8220;Go make me some coffee!&#8221;<br />
vs<br />
&#8220;So I don&#8217;t need to fetch Stephen from the airport tomorrow?&#8221;
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing inherently canine in the word &quot;fetch.&quot; Jack and Jill certainly had no problem with it (the word itself wasn&#039;t the cause of their clumsiness). Yes, you can tell a dog to fetch, and also to sit. Shall we therefore leave all our human guests standing?

The word &quot;fetch&quot; is used in some regions more than in others. In northern areas of the US it is rarely heard in the sense of to &quot;go or come after and bring or take back&quot; (Merriam-Webster), while in the south it is not uncommon. A careful speaker will keep this in mind. And &quot;fetch&quot; can have a demanding tone–it is, after all, a command–unless joined to the word &quot;please.&quot; Not a bad idea in a business or office setting, and not just for &quot;fetch.&quot; Even so, if you are in a non-fetching region, an alternative word like &quot;get&quot; might be more pleasing.

As for &quot;someone&quot; being cited before &quot;something&quot; in your definition, might that not just be alphabetization?&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10617&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing inherently canine in the word &#8220;fetch.&#8221; Jack and Jill certainly had no problem with it (the word itself wasn&#8217;t the cause of their clumsiness). Yes, you can tell a dog to fetch, and also to sit. Shall we therefore leave all our human guests standing?</p>
<p>The word &#8220;fetch&#8221; is used in some regions more than in others. In northern areas of the US it is rarely heard in the sense of to &#8220;go or come after and bring or take back&#8221; (Merriam-Webster), while in the south it is not uncommon. A careful speaker will keep this in mind. And &#8220;fetch&#8221; can have a demanding tone–it is, after all, a command–unless joined to the word &#8220;please.&#8221; Not a bad idea in a business or office setting, and not just for &#8220;fetch.&#8221; Even so, if you are in a non-fetching region, an alternative word like &#8220;get&#8221; might be more pleasing.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;someone&#8221; being cited before &#8220;something&#8221; in your definition, might that not just be alphabetization?
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		<title>By: Glynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not an issue of definition.  You don&#039;t go around calling happy people gay just for the sake of Webster&#039;s.  

Tell people to &quot;go fetch&quot; in your daily dealings with them.. and see how they respond.&lt;p class=&quot;top-comments&quot;&gt;Current score: &lt;span class=&quot;top-comments-karma&quot; id=&quot;karma-10615&quot;&gt;0&lt;/span&gt; &lt;small&gt;(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not an issue of definition.  You don&#8217;t go around calling happy people gay just for the sake of Webster&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>Tell people to &#8220;go fetch&#8221; in your daily dealings with them.. and see how they respond.
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