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	<title>Pain in the English &#187; Usage</title>
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		<title>&#8220;Verbiage&#8221; used instead of wordiness or excessively long writing</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=4285</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roger Mourne</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This misuse of &#8220;verbiage&#8221; bothered me a lot from when I first heard it. I worked for a computer company then in the mid-1980s and one day several engineers (programmers) at a meeting called various papers &#8220;verbiage&#8221;. The papers were marketing reports, technical proposals and the like, all prose. It had long been clear that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This misuse of &#8220;verbiage&#8221; bothered me a lot from when I first heard it. I worked for a computer company then in the mid-1980s and one day several engineers (programmers) at a meeting called various papers &#8220;verbiage&#8221;. The papers were marketing reports, technical proposals and the like, all prose. It had long been clear that these engineers disliked reading anything more than a short paragraph long, and now their contempt for written language was evident, too. They assumed &#8220;verbiage&#8221; meant &#8220;written language&#8221; and because they used it indiscriminately for long documents as well as short ones, it was also apparently they didn&#8217;t know &#8220;verbiage&#8221; only meant excessive or poorly written documents, or sometimes long, tedious documents without interest. &#8220;I looked at the verbiage&#8221;, they&#8217;d say, &#8220;and the verbiage from IBM is a little better.&#8221; Or, &#8220;I think our verbiage should reflect we avoid spaghetti programming.&#8221; Their tone, facial expressions and irritated manner left no question of their feelings. Soon it seemed thousands of people misused the word &#8220;verbiage&#8221; as they did, and later probably millions. I hear it less because I no longer work in a corporation.</p>
<p>Your opinions, please?</p>
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		<title>Current use of word &#8220;edgy&#8221; (December 2009)</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=4283</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 08:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Roger Mourne</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear this word more and more, usually to describe music, singing and writing. From the 1950s to about 2000, &#8220;edgy&#8221; meant &#8220;compelling&#8221;, &#8220;provocative&#8221;, often &#8220;defiant&#8221; or &#8220;questioning&#8221;, &#8220;obviously important&#8221; and sometimes dangerous, or nearly so, as it is to walk on a ledge, or near the edge of a rooftop. For example, Bob Dylan&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear this word more and more, usually to describe music, singing and writing. From the 1950s to about 2000, &#8220;edgy&#8221; meant &#8220;compelling&#8221;, &#8220;provocative&#8221;, often &#8220;defiant&#8221; or &#8220;questioning&#8221;, &#8220;obviously important&#8221; and sometimes dangerous, or nearly so, as it is to walk on a ledge, or near the edge of a rooftop. For example, Bob Dylan&#8217;s songs have always been called &#8220;edgy&#8221;, same as Kurt Cobain&#8217;s or Lou Reed&#8217;s. Part of edginess is nonformist, and challenging the status quo. Jon Cage would be considered edgy, while Leonard Bernstein would not. &#8220;Edgy&#8221; usually seems to mean &#8220;original&#8221;, too. You could call Chris Rock cool and provocative, sometimes, but not usually edgy, as Dave Chappelle is edgy. &#8212;- All right. Is that still what most of you mean by &#8220;edgy&#8221;? Lately there seems to be a growing connotation of &#8220;originality&#8221;, too. For example, it&#8217;s hard to be &#8220;edgy&#8221; with even slightly older styles, subjects or forms of singing, composing music or writing short stories or novels. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Use of &#8220;Massive&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=4280</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am getting tired of hearing MASSIVE every five minutes of my life. Usually it is used to mean extra heavy, sometimes just big, e.g. a massive storm hit the Carolinas, or a massive thought. It is overdone.
In addition, I am used to it meaning really TINY. For example, the electron is a massive object; [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting tired of hearing MASSIVE every five minutes of my life. Usually it is used to mean extra heavy, sometimes just big, e.g. a massive storm hit the Carolinas, or a massive thought. It is overdone.</p>
<p>In addition, I am used to it meaning really TINY. For example, the electron is a massive object; the photon is a massless object. This comes from the idea (that I was taught) that massive means having mass, which means &gt;0 mass. So the proton and the electron are each massive, both having &gt;0 mass. Yet each is smaller than a microscope can see.</p>
<p>Can anyone shed light on how this word—used so often—has come to mean really big?</p>
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		<title>A perfectly acceptable construction</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=4270</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;It has a great construction&#8221; sets my teeth on edge every time a writer I work with uses the phrase in written English. Is this correct/standard usage? It sounds so wrong to me, but I can&#8217;t point to the rule it violates.
Am I simply biased against&#8230; A perfectly acceptable construction?
These sound/seem so wrong:.
My t-shirt has [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It has a great construction&#8221; sets my teeth on edge every time a writer I work with uses the phrase in written English. Is this correct/standard usage? It sounds so wrong to me, but I can&#8217;t point to the rule it violates.</p>
<p>Am I simply biased against&#8230; A perfectly acceptable construction?</p>
<p>These sound/seem so wrong:.<br />
My t-shirt has a durable cotton construction.</p>
<p>That house has a great construction.</p>
<p>With a construction of 100% cotton, her dress&#8230;</p>
<p>I think you omit the indefinite article.</p>
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		<title>Causative or Causal?</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=4254</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is the correct usage of causative and causal? If, for example, you want to describe the etiological agent of a disease, would you call it a &#8220;causative agent&#8221; or a &#8220;causal agent&#8221;?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the correct usage of causative and causal? If, for example, you want to describe the etiological agent of a disease, would you call it a &#8220;causative agent&#8221; or a &#8220;causal agent&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>Loose = Lose?</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=4238</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have noticed dozens of examples of people, mainly on the Internet, typing the word &#8220;loose&#8221; when what they really mean is &#8220;lose.&#8221;  For instance, &#8220;I didn&#8217;t want to loose the car keys.&#8221;  Do you know when or how this annoying mistake came to be?  It seems like it has only been [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have noticed dozens of examples of people, mainly on the Internet, typing the word &#8220;loose&#8221; when what they really mean is &#8220;lose.&#8221;  For instance, &#8220;I didn&#8217;t want to loose the car keys.&#8221;  Do you know when or how this annoying mistake came to be?  It seems like it has only been going on for the past year or so, but it could be longer.</p>
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		<title>Fetch Referring to People?</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=4235</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend has issue with the use of &#8220;fetch&#8221; used to mean &#8220;go get someone.&#8221;  She referred to its association with having a dog &#8220;fetch&#8221; something as being offensive: &#8220;it is not okay to use a word commonly known for a dog retrieving a bone to refer to a human being &#8211; period.&#8221;  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend has issue with the use of &#8220;fetch&#8221; used to mean &#8220;go get someone.&#8221;  She referred to its association with having a dog &#8220;fetch&#8221; something as being offensive: &#8220;it is not okay to use a word commonly known for a dog retrieving a bone to refer to a human being &#8211; period.&#8221;  And also hinted its use as being inappropriate in a professional/office setting.</p>
<p>The definition i have says: &#8220;go for and then bring back (someone or something)&#8221; and says nothing at all about it being a dog trick.  Also interesting that <em>someone</em> is listed before something.</p>
<p>What do you say?</p>
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		<title>Difference between a release and a waiver</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=4209</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>zipetaa</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I translated some legal agreement several day ago.  It is about an accident in a hospital resulting in the death of AAA.  In this agreement, it is provided that AAA&#8217;s parents would waive (the term I used) all claims they may have against the Hospital and something like that, but my boss told [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I translated some legal agreement several day ago.  It is about an accident in a hospital resulting in the death of AAA.  In this agreement, it is provided that AAA&#8217;s parents would waive (the term I used) all claims they may have against the Hospital and something like that, but my boss told me yesterday that &#8220;release&#8221; should be used in this case.  I referred to certain dictionaries, but found nothing that can explain their difference.  </p>
<p>Can the term &#8220;waive&#8221; be used in this case? Is there any difference between a waiver and a release?</p>
<p>Many thanks</p>
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		<title>obstinacy vs. obstinancy</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=4205</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jay D.</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve seen both of these words used to describe a person&#8217;s stubbornness. Obstinacy seeming to come from obstinate, and obstinancy seeming to derive from obstinant. Which is the correct form of the word, and is there some sort of subtle difference between the two?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen both of these words used to describe a person&#8217;s stubbornness. Obstinacy seeming to come from obstinate, and obstinancy seeming to derive from obstinant. Which is the correct form of the word, and is there some sort of subtle difference between the two?</p>
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		<title>Pled versus pleaded</title>
		<link>http://painintheenglish.com/?p=4191</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone notice the banishment of &#8220;pled&#8221; about 5 years or so ago? The newspapers used to say &#8220;The defendant pled not guilty.&#8221; Suddenly, everything became &#8220;pleaded.&#8221; I contend that this is an improper imposition of some kind of twisted &#8220;grammar correctness,&#8221; except it is incorrect. &#8220;Pled&#8221; is a less emotional word than &#8220;pleaded&#8221;. I plead [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone notice the banishment of &#8220;pled&#8221; about 5 years or so ago? The newspapers used to say &#8220;The defendant pled not guilty.&#8221; Suddenly, everything became &#8220;pleaded.&#8221; I contend that this is an improper imposition of some kind of twisted &#8220;grammar correctness,&#8221; except it is incorrect. &#8220;Pled&#8221; is a less emotional word than &#8220;pleaded&#8221;. I plead when I am begging for something. Unless the defendant is on his knees weeping, he is not pleading, he is entering a plea. In the past tense, he pled, not pleaded.<br />
What do you think?</p>
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